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From: Simona Vetter <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Lyude Paul" <lyude@redhat.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Maíra Canal" <mairacanal@riseup.net>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <benno.lossin@proton.me>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 17:41:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z5z9LPzNuF2IdPGa@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z5NzTsm7Hw-OD4n5@pollux>

On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:02:38PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 07:33:28PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > On Thu, 2025-01-23 at 07:23 +0100, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 06:49:22PM -0500, Lyude Paul wrote:
> > > 
> > > And modules are code, not data.  Let's not start to even attempt to tie
> > > lifetimes of device structures to module code, that way lies madness and
> > > rolls back the work we did decades ago to split the two apart :)
> > 
> > To make sure I'm understanding you properly, by "are code not data" you're
> > suggesting that resources (devices, driver registrations, etc.) should have
> > their lifetime entirely managed by the kernel and not as part of the module
> > data structure correct?
> 
> I think that's two different things.
> 
> Driver registrations are bound to the module lifetime and in Rust, where we have
> a structure that represents the module lifetime, driver registrations are part
> of the module structure. That's fine.
> 
> Device are more of a concern here, since they ideally orginate from real
> hardware and hence shouldn't be bound to a module lifetime.
> 
> I think a virtual device would need to be an exception though. What else, if not
> the module should define its lifetime?

Yeah for virtual devices this should be possible I think. We do have plans
for vkms to gain configfs support, and then maybe the current device
wouldn't be needed anymore and we'd just register the configfs when
loading the module.
-Sima
-- 
Simona Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-31 16:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-22 23:49 [PATCH 0/2] rust/kernel: Add bindings for manually creating devices Lyude Paul
2025-01-22 23:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::Device::from_raw() Lyude Paul
2025-01-28 14:35   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-01-22 23:49 ` [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice Lyude Paul
2025-01-23  6:23   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-23 10:21     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-23 14:17       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-24 10:52         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-30 21:28           ` [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create() Lyude Paul
2025-01-30 21:58             ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-01  8:32               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31  3:34             ` kernel test robot
2025-01-31  8:00             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31 16:40               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31 18:43                 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-01  8:00                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03  9:39                     ` [RFC] driver core: add a virtual bus for use when a simple device/bus is needed Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 10:02                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 11:01                       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-03 11:25                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 14:33                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 15:32                             ` Simona Vetter
2025-02-03 15:38                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03 22:45                             ` Lyude Paul
2025-02-03 21:13                           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-02-04  6:05                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-02-03  9:45                     ` [PATCH] WIP: drivers/base: Add virtual_device_create() Simona Vetter
2025-02-03  9:51                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2025-01-31 16:42               ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-31 10:43             ` Andy Shevchenko
2025-01-24  0:33     ` [PATCH 2/2] rust/kernel: Add platform::ModuleDevice Lyude Paul
2025-01-24 11:02       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-01-31 16:41         ` Simona Vetter [this message]
2025-01-24 21:19       ` Lyude Paul

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