From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] sched_ext: Choose prev_cpu if idle and cache affine without WF_SYNC
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 18:30:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9hcUSp6P72wT5ig@gpd3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z9hW_3cPN8u7VURV@slm.duckdns.org>
On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 07:08:15AM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello, Joel.
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 04:28:02AM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
> > Consider that the previous CPU is cache affined to the waker's CPU and
> > is idle. Currently, scx's default select function only selects the
> > previous CPU in this case if WF_SYNC request is also made to wakeup on the
> > waker's CPU.
> >
> > This means, without WF_SYNC, the previous CPU being cache affined to the
> > waker and is idle is not considered. This seems extreme. WF_SYNC is not
> > normally passed to the wakeup path outside of some IPC drivers but it is
> > very possible that the task is cache hot on previous CPU and shares
> > cache with the waker CPU. Lets avoid too many migrations and select the
> > previous CPU in such cases.
>
> Hmm.. if !WF_SYNC:
>
> 1. If smt, if prev_cpu's core is idle, pick it. If not, try to pick an idle
> core in widening scopes.
>
> 2. If no idle core is foudn, pick prev_cpu if idle. If not, search for an
> idle CPU in widening scopes.
>
> So, it is considering prev_cpu, right? I think it's preferring idle core a
> bit too much - it probably doesn't make sense to cross the NUMA boundary if
> there is an idle CPU in this node, at least.
Yeah, we should probably be a bit more conservative by default and avoid
jumping across nodes if there are still idle CPUs within the node.
With the new scx_bpf_select_cpu_and() API [1] it'll be easier to enforce
that while still using the built-in idle policy (since we can specify idle
flags), but that doesn't preclude adjusting the default policy anyway, if
it makes more sense.
I guess the question is: what is more expensive in general on task wakeup?
1) a cross-node migration or 2) running on a partially busy SMT core?
-Andrea
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20250314094827.167563-1-arighi@nvidia.com/
>
> Isn't the cpus_share_cache() code block mostly about not doing
> waker-affining if prev_cpu of the wakee is close enough and idle, so
> waker-affining is likely to be worse?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-17 17:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-17 8:28 [PATCH RFC] sched_ext: Choose prev_cpu if idle and cache affine without WF_SYNC Joel Fernandes
2025-03-17 17:08 ` Tejun Heo
2025-03-17 17:30 ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2025-03-17 17:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-18 5:17 ` Andrea Righi
2025-03-17 22:11 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-18 5:09 ` Andrea Righi
2025-03-18 17:00 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-18 17:46 ` Andrea Righi
2025-03-18 22:37 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-17 22:07 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-17 22:25 ` Tejun Heo
2025-03-17 22:45 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-18 0:12 ` Libo Chen
2025-03-18 0:14 ` Tejun Heo
2025-03-17 17:20 ` Andrea Righi
2025-03-17 22:44 ` Joel Fernandes
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