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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: David Dai <davidai@google.com>
Cc: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>,
	kernel-team@android.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] sched/fair: Add util_guest for tasks
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:29:20 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZC0xYKAmkA7ojhyt@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABN1KC+E5tdCBTDu8x_mNzk6L0=Yu8DfpyV-9rMddiRigOFrCQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Monday 03 Apr 2023 at 18:11:37 (-0700), David Dai wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 4:40 AM Dietmar Eggemann
> <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> wrote:
> > I can't see why the existing p->uclamp_req[UCLAMP_MIN].value can't be
> > used here instead p->se.avg.util_guest.
> Using p->uclamp_req[UCLAMP_MIN].value would result in folding in
> uclamp values into task_util and task_util_est for all tasks that have
> uclamp values set. The intent of these patches isn’t to modify
> existing uclamp behaviour. Users would also override util values from
> the guest when they set uclamp values.

That shouldn't be a problem if host userspace is responsible for driving
the uclamp values in response to guest frequency requests in the first
place ...

> > I do understand the issue of inheriting uclamp values at fork but don't
> > get the not being `additive` thing. We are at task level here.
> Uclamp values are max aggregated with other tasks at the runqueue
> level when deciding CPU frequency. For example, a vCPU runqueue may
> have an util of 512 that results in setting 512 to uclamp_min on the
> vCPU task. This is insufficient to drive a frequency response if it
> shares the runqueue with another host task running with util of 512 as
> it would result in a clamped util value of 512 at the runqueue(Ex. If
> a guest thread had just migrated onto this vCPU).

Maybe it's a feature rather than bug?

It's not obvious giving extra powers to vCPU threads that other host
threads don't have is a good idea. The fact that vCPU threads are
limited to what the VMM would be allowed to request for its other
threads is more than desirable. I'd even say it's a requirement.

Thanks,
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-05  8:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 22:43 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Improve VM DVFS and task placement behavior David Dai
2023-03-30 22:43 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] sched/fair: Add util_guest for tasks David Dai
2023-04-03 11:40   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-04-04  1:11     ` David Dai
2023-04-05  8:29       ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2023-04-05 10:50       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2023-04-05 21:42         ` Saravana Kannan
2023-04-05 23:36           ` David Dai
2023-04-05  8:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-05 22:54     ` David Dai
2023-04-06  7:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-03-30 22:43 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] kvm: arm64: Add support for get_cur_cpufreq service David Dai
2023-04-05  8:04   ` Quentin Perret
2023-03-30 22:43 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] kvm: arm64: Add support for util_hint service David Dai
2023-03-30 22:43 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] kvm: arm64: Add support for get_freqtbl service David Dai
2023-03-30 22:43 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] dt-bindings: cpufreq: add bindings for virtual kvm cpufreq David Dai
2023-03-30 22:43 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] cpufreq: add kvm-cpufreq driver David Dai
2023-04-05  8:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-05 22:42     ` David Dai
2023-03-30 23:20 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Improve VM DVFS and task placement behavior Oliver Upton
2023-03-30 23:36   ` Saravana Kannan
2023-03-30 23:40     ` Oliver Upton
2023-03-31  0:34       ` Saravana Kannan
2023-03-31  0:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-04-03 10:18   ` Mel Gorman
2023-04-04 19:43 ` Oliver Upton
2023-04-04 20:49   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-04-05  7:48     ` Quentin Perret
2023-04-05  8:33       ` Vincent Guittot
2023-04-05 21:07       ` Saravana Kannan
2023-04-06 12:52         ` Quentin Perret
2023-04-06 21:39           ` David Dai
2023-04-05 21:00     ` Saravana Kannan
2023-04-06  8:42       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-04-05  8:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-05 21:08   ` Saravana Kannan
2023-04-06  7:36     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-06  7:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-27  7:46 ` Pavan Kondeti
2023-04-27  9:52   ` Gupta, Pankaj
2023-04-27 11:26     ` Pavan Kondeti

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