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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	kasan-dev@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/2] posix-timers: Prefer delivery of signals to the current thread
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 17:13:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZC7hsjyGc+0DP2D0@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANpmjNOwo=4_VpUs1PYajtxb8gvt3hyhgwc-Bk9RN4VgupZCyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Le Thu, Apr 06, 2023 at 04:12:04PM +0200, Marco Elver a écrit :
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 at 13:31, Marco Elver <elver@google.com> wrote:
> One last semi-gentle ping. ;-)
> 
> 1. We're seeing that in some applications that use POSIX timers
> heavily, but where the main thread is mostly idle, the main thread
> receives a disproportional amount of the signals along with being
> woken up constantly. This is bad, because the main thread usually
> waits with the help of a futex or really long sleeps. Now the main
> thread will steal time (to go back to sleep) from another thread that
> could have instead just proceeded with whatever it was doing.
> 
> 2. Delivering signals to random threads is currently way too
> expensive. We need to resort to this crazy algorithm: 1) receive timer
> signal, 2) check if main thread, 3) if main thread (which is likely),
> pick a random thread and do tgkill. To find a random thread, iterate
> /proc/self/task, but that's just abysmal for various reasons. Other
> alternatives, like inherited task clock perf events are too expensive
> as soon as we need to enable/disable the timers (does IPIs), and
> maintaining O(#threads) timers is just as horrible.
> 
> This patch solves both the above issues.
> 
> We acknowledge the unfortunate situation of attributing this patch to
> one clear subsystem and owner: it straddles into signal delivery and
> POSIX timers territory, and perhaps some scheduling. The patch itself
> only touches kernel/signal.c.
> 
> If anyone has serious objections, please shout (soon'ish). Given the
> patch has been reviewed by Oleg, and scrutinized by Dmitry and myself,
> presumably we need to find a tree that currently takes kernel/signal.c
> patches?
> 
> Thanks!

Thanks for the reminder!

In the very unlikely case Thomas ignores this before the next merge window,
I'll tentatively do a pull request to Linus.

Thanks.

> 
> -- Marco

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-06 15:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-16 12:30 [PATCH v6 1/2] posix-timers: Prefer delivery of signals to the current thread Marco Elver
2023-03-16 12:30 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] selftests/timers/posix_timers: Test delivery of signals across threads Marco Elver
2023-04-16  7:04   ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Dmitry Vyukov
2024-04-06 20:53   ` [PATCH v6 2/2] " Muhammad Usama Anjum
2024-04-06 21:13     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-06 21:32       ` Muhammad Usama Anjum
2023-03-30 10:19 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] posix-timers: Prefer delivery of signals to the current thread Marco Elver
2023-04-06 14:12 ` Marco Elver
2023-04-06 15:13   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2023-04-06 20:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-04-16  7:04 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Dmitry Vyukov
2024-04-01 20:17 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] " John Stultz
2024-04-02  9:07   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2024-04-02 14:57   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-02 17:23     ` John Stultz
2024-04-03 12:41       ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-03 15:03         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-03 15:43           ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-03 16:32             ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-03 18:16               ` John Stultz
2024-04-03 19:09                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-03 19:35                   ` John Stultz
2024-04-03 22:24                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-04 14:54                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-04 18:08                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-06 15:09                           ` [PATCH] selftests/timers/posix_timers: reimplement check_timer_distribution() Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-06 15:10                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-06 22:00                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-08  8:30                               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2024-04-08 10:01                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-08 10:26                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-08 18:49                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-08 22:17                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-09 11:10                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-09 11:45                                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2024-04-09 12:02                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-09 13:38                                           ` [PATCH v2] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-09 15:57                                             ` [tip: timers/urgent] selftests/timers/posix_timers: Reimplement check_timer_distribution() tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-10 22:21                                             ` [PATCH v2] selftests/timers/posix_timers: reimplement check_timer_distribution() John Stultz
2024-04-10 22:31                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-10 22:33                                                 ` John Stultz
2024-04-11 12:41                             ` [PATCH] " Mark Brown
2024-04-11 15:33                               ` John Stultz
2024-04-11 12:44                             ` Mark Brown
2024-04-11 14:17                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-11 15:50                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-11 16:03                                   ` Mark Brown
2024-04-12 12:35                               ` [PATCH] selftests: fix build failure with NOLIBC Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-12 14:58                                 ` [tip: timers/urgent] selftests: kselftest: Fix " tip-bot2 for Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-14  7:42                                 ` [PATCH] selftests: fix " Mark Brown
2024-04-04  8:55             ` [PATCH v6 1/2] posix-timers: Prefer delivery of signals to the current thread Dmitry Vyukov
2024-04-04 13:43               ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-04 15:10                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-04-04 15:23                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-04-05  4:28                 ` Dmitry Vyukov

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