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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: pawan.kumar.gupta@linux.intel.com,
	Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: Track supported ARCH_CAPABILITIES in kvm_caps
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 08:25:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZGeU9sYTPxqNGSqI@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZGc1/lwk5BAdRyOi@chao-email>

On Fri, May 19, 2023, Chao Gao wrote:
> +Pawan, could you share your thoughts on questions about FB_CLEAR?
> 
> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:33:15AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >I do like snapshotting and then updating the value, even though there's likely no
> >meaningful performance benefit, as that would provide a place to document that
> >the "supported" value is dynamic.  Though the fact that it's dynamic is arguably a bug
> >in its own right, e.g. if userspace isn't careful, a VM can have vCPUs with different
> >values for ARCH_CAPABILITIES.  But fixing that is probably a fool's errand.  So
> 
> I am not sure if fixing it is fool. There would be some other problem:

Heh, "fool's errand" is an idiom that means doing something has almost no chance
of succeeding, not that doing something is foolish.  I 100% agree that there's
value in presenting a consistent model to the guest, but there are conflicting
requirements in play.  To present a consistent model, KVM essentially needs to
disallow changing the module param after VMs/vCPUs have been created, but that
would prevent userspace from toggling the param while VMs are running, e.g. in
response to a new vulnerability.

The only feasible idea I can think of is to disallow *disabling* the mitigation
while VMs/vCPUs are active.  But then that prevents turning the L1D flush mitigation
back off if some other mitigation is deployed, e.g. via livepatch, policy update,
etc.

That's why I said trying to fix the knob is probably a fool's errand.  AFAICT,
there's no straightforward solution that makes everybody happy.  :-/

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-19 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-06  3:04 [PATCH] KVM: x86: Track supported ARCH_CAPABILITIES in kvm_caps Chao Gao
2023-05-18  9:32 ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-05-18 17:33   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-19  8:40     ` Chao Gao
2023-05-19 15:25       ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-05-20  1:02     ` Pawan Gupta
2023-05-22 17:43       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-22 19:31         ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-05-22 21:23           ` Pawan Gupta
2023-05-23  1:00             ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-05-23  3:34               ` Pawan Gupta
2023-05-25 15:42                 ` Xiaoyao Li
2023-05-25 20:33                   ` Pawan Gupta
2023-05-22 20:54         ` Pawan Gupta
2023-05-23  4:47           ` Pawan Gupta
2023-05-22 14:23     ` Dave Hansen
2023-05-22 16:37       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-29  3:35     ` Chao Gao
2023-06-06 16:54       ` Sean Christopherson

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