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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Ivan Babrou <ivan@cloudflare.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2023 11:05:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPBX4S6XKX+HsDdW@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJD7tkZn_7ppFB1B1V8tBEw12LXCnEOue2Beq6e19PkUAVHUSQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue 29-08-23 13:20:34, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
[...]
> I will add a mutex on the userspace read side then and spin a v3.
> Hopefully this addresses Michal's concern as well. The lock dropping
> logic will still exist for the inner lock, but when one userspace
> reader drops the inner lock other readers won't be able to pick it up.

Yes, that would minimize the risk of the worst case pathological
behavior.

> > I don't have a strong preference. As long as we stay away from introducing a
> > new user interface construct and can address the noticed scalability issues,
> > it should be fine. Note that there are other ways to address priority
> > inversions and contentions too - e.g. we can always bounce flushing to a
> > [kthread_]kworker and rate limit (or rather latency limit) how often
> > different classes of users can trigger flushing. I don't think we have to go
> > there yet but if the simpler meaures don't work out, there are still many
> > ways to solve the problem within the kernel.
> 
> I whole-heartedly agree with the preference to fix the problem within
> the kernel with minimal/none user space involvement.

Let's see. While I would love to see a solution that works for everybody
without explicit interface we have hit problems with locks involved in
stat files in the past.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-31  9:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:54 [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm: memcg: properly name and document unified stats flushing Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: memcg: add a helper for non-unified " Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 13:01   ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:00     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22 16:35       ` Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 16:48         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-21 20:54 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: memcg: use non-unified stats flushing for userspace reads Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-22  9:06   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-22 15:30     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-23  7:33       ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-23 14:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24  7:13           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-24 18:15             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-24 18:50               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25  7:05                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 15:14                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:17                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:21                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-25 18:43                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-25 18:44                           ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 15:47                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-28 16:15                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:00                         ` Shakeel Butt
2023-08-28 17:07                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:27                             ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:28                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-28 17:35                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 17:43                                   ` Waiman Long
2023-08-28 18:35                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29  7:27                               ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 15:05                                 ` Waiman Long
2023-08-29 15:17                                   ` Michal Hocko
2023-08-29 16:04                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 18:44                   ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:13                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 19:36                       ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 19:54                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-29 20:12                           ` Tejun Heo
2023-08-29 20:20                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-08-31  9:05                               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2023-08-22 13:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] memcg: non-unified flushing for userspace stats Michal Koutný
2023-08-22 15:43   ` Yosry Ahmed

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