public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>
Cc: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Marek Szyprowski <m.szyprowski@samsung.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] KVM: x86/mmu: .change_pte() optimization in TDP MMU
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 09:46:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZPis61o4lkjr0mMU@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d81a9cd-f96d-bcdb-7878-74c2ead26cfb@arm.com>

On Wed, Sep 06, 2023, Robin Murphy wrote:
> On 2023-09-06 15:44, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 06, 2023, Robin Murphy wrote:
> > > Even non-virtualised, SWIOTLB is pretty horrible for I/O performance by its
> > > very nature - avoiding it if at all possible should always be preferred.
> > 
> > Yeah.  The main reason I didn't just sweep this under the rug is the confidential
> > VM use case, where SWIOTLB is used to bounce data from guest private memory into
> > shread buffers.  There's also a good argument that anyone that cares about I/O
> > performance in confidential VMs should put in the effort to enlighten their device
> > drivers to use shared memory directly, but practically speaking that's easier said
> > than done.
> 
> Indeed a bunch of work has gone into SWIOTLB recently trying to make it a
> bit more efficient for such cases where it can't be avoided, so it is
> definitely still interesting to learn about impacts at other levels like
> this. Maybe there's a bit of a get-out for confidential VMs though, since
> presumably there's not much point COW-ing encrypted private memory, so
> perhaps KVM might end up wanting to optimise that out and thus happen to end
> up less sensitive to unavoidable SWIOTLB behaviour anyway?

CoW should be a non-issue for confidential VMs, at least on x86.  SEV and SEV-ES
are effectively forced to pin memory as writable before it can be mapped into the
guest.  TDX and SNP and will have a different implementation, but similar behavior.

Confidential VMs would benefit purely by either eliminating or reducing the cost
of "initializing" memory, i.e. by eliminating the memcpy() or replacing it with a
memset().  I most definitely don't care enough about confidential VM I/O performance
to try and micro-optimize that behavior, their existence was simply what made me
look more closely instead of just telling Yan to stop using IDE :-)

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-06 16:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-08  8:50 [PATCH 0/2] KVM: x86/mmu: .change_pte() optimization in TDP MMU Yan Zhao
2023-08-08  8:53 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86/mmu: Remove dead code in .change_pte() handler in x86 " Yan Zhao
2023-08-08  8:54 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: x86/mmu: prefetch SPTE directly in x86 TDP MMU's change_pte() handler Yan Zhao
2023-08-16 18:18 ` [PATCH 0/2] KVM: x86/mmu: .change_pte() optimization in TDP MMU Sean Christopherson
2023-08-17  0:00   ` Yan Zhao
2023-08-17 17:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-08-18 10:17       ` Yan Zhao
2023-08-18 13:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-04  7:03         ` Yan Zhao
2023-09-05 18:59           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-05 19:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06  0:29             ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-06 14:44               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-06 16:18                 ` Robin Murphy
2023-09-06 16:46                   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-09-08  8:18                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-05 20:18           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-06  1:51             ` Yan Zhao
2023-09-06 22:17             ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-09-07  0:51               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-07  0:36                 ` Yan Zhao

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ZPis61o4lkjr0mMU@google.com \
    --to=seanjc@google.com \
    --cc=hch@lst.de \
    --cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=m.szyprowski@samsung.com \
    --cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
    --cc=robin.murphy@arm.com \
    --cc=torvalds@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=yan.y.zhao@intel.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox