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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>, Aaron Lu <aaron.lu@intel.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chen Yu <yu.chen.surf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Introduce SIS_CACHE to choose previous CPU during task wakeup
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:00:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZRPhC7b6OT1uFtNE@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1695704179.git.yu.c.chen@intel.com>


* Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com> wrote:

> When task p is woken up, the scheduler leverages select_idle_sibling()
> to find an idle CPU for it. p's previous CPU is usually a preference
> because it can improve cache locality. However in many cases, the
> previous CPU has already been taken by other wakees, thus p has to
> find another idle CPU.
> 
> Inhibit the task migration while keeping the work conservation of
> scheduler could benefit many workloads. Inspired by Mathieu's
> proposal to limit the task migration ratio[1], this patch considers
> the task average sleep duration. If the task is a short sleeping one,
> then tag its previous CPU as cache hot for a short while. During this
> reservation period, other wakees are not allowed to pick this idle CPU
> until a timeout. Later if the task is woken up again, it can find its
> previous CPU still idle, and choose it in select_idle_sibling().

Yeah, so I'm not convinced about this at this stage.

By allowing a task to basically hog a CPU after it has gone idle already,
however briefly, we reduce resource utilization efficiency for the sake
of singular benchmark workloads.

In a mixed environment the cost of leaving CPUs idle longer than necessary
will show up - and none of these benchmarks show that kind of side effect
and indirect overhead.

This feature would be a lot more convincing if it tried to measure overhead
in the pathological case, not the case it's been written for.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-27  8:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-26  5:10 [PATCH 0/2] Introduce SIS_CACHE to choose previous CPU during task wakeup Chen Yu
2023-09-26  5:11 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched/fair: Record the short sleeping time of a task Chen Yu
2023-09-26 10:29   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-27  6:17     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-27  7:53   ` Aaron Lu
2023-09-28  7:57     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-26  5:11 ` [PATCH 2/2] sched/fair: skip the cache hot CPU in select_idle_cpu() Chen Yu
2023-09-27 16:11   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2023-09-28  7:52     ` Chen Yu
2023-09-27  8:00 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2023-09-27 21:34   ` [PATCH 0/2] Introduce SIS_CACHE to choose previous CPU during task wakeup Tim Chen
2023-09-28  8:23   ` Chen Yu
2023-10-05  6:22 ` K Prateek Nayak
2023-10-07  3:23   ` Chen Yu
2023-10-17  9:49 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2023-10-17 11:09   ` Chen Yu
2023-10-18 19:32     ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2023-10-19 10:57       ` Chen Yu

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