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From: Deepak Gupta <debug@rivosinc.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC RFT v2 5/5] kselftest/clone3: Test shadow stack support
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:12:46 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZVfXTmVestrAwIkN@debug.ba.rivosinc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <309927ad8bfa72ce2d084ee16cd0cd84e69fef16.camel@intel.com>

On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 11:11:58PM +0000, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
>On Tue, 2023-11-14 at 20:05 +0000, Mark Brown wrote:
>> +static void test_shadow_stack_supported(void)
>> +{
>> +        long shadow_stack;
>> +
>> +       shadow_stack = syscall(__NR_map_shadow_stack, 0,
>> getpagesize(), 0);
>
>Hmm, x86 fails this call if user shadow stack is not supported in the
>HW or the kernel, but doesn't care if it is enabled on the thread or
>not. If shadow stack is not enabled (or not yet enabled), shadow stacks
>are allowed to be mapped. Should it fail if shadow stack is not yet
>enabled?
>
>Since shadow stack is per thread, map_shadow_stack could still be
>called on another thread that has it enabled. Basically I don't think
>blocking it will reduce the possible states the kernel has to handle.
>
>The traditional way to check if shadow stack is enabled on x86 is the
>check for a non zero return from the _get_ssp() intrinsic:
>https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-9.2.0/gcc/x86-control-flow-protection-intrinsics.html
>
>It seems like there will be a need for some generic method of checking
>if shadow stack is enabled. Maybe a more generic compiler
>intrinsic/builtin or glibc API (something unrelated to SSP)?

Exposing a new file under procfs would be useful?
Something like "/proc/sys/vm/user_shadow_stack_supported"

`map_shadow_stack` can return MAP_FAILED for other reasons.
I think `kselftests` are fine but I don't want people to pick up this
as test code and run with it in production :-)

So kernel providing a way to indicate whether it supports shadow stack
mappings in user mode via procfs would be useful and arch agnostic.

>
>> +       {
>> +               .name = "Shadow stack on system with shadow stack",
>> +               .flags = 0,
>> +               .size = 0,
>> +               .expected = 0,
>> +               .e2big_valid = true,
>> +               .test_mode = CLONE3_ARGS_SHADOW_STACK,
>> +               .filter = no_shadow_stack,
>> +       },
>> +       {
>> +               .name = "Shadow stack on system without shadow
>> stack",
>> +               .flags = 0,
>> +               .size = 0,
>> +               .expected = -EINVAL,
>> +               .e2big_valid = true,
>> +               .test_mode = CLONE3_ARGS_SHADOW_STACK,
>> +               .filter = have_shadow_stack,
>> +       },
>>  };
>>  
>I changed x86's map_shadow_stack to return an error when shadow stack
>was not enabled to make the detection logic in the test work. Also
>changed the clone3 Makefile to generate the shadow stack bit in the
>tests. When running the 'clone3' test with shadow stack it passed, but
>there is a failure in the non-shadow stack case:
>...
># Shadow stack not supported
>ok 20 # SKIP Shadow stack on system with shadow stack
># Running test 'Shadow stack on system without shadow stack'
># [1333] Trying clone3() with flags 0 (size 0)
># I am the parent (1333). My child's pid is 1342
># I am the child, my PID is 1342
># [1333] clone3() with flags says: 0 expected -22
># [1333] Result (0) is different than expected (-22)
>not ok 21 Shadow stack on system without shadow stack
># Totals: pass:19 fail:1 xfail:0 xpass:0 skip:1 error:0
>
>The other tests passed in both cases. I'm going to dig into the other
>parts now but can circle back if it's not obvious what's going on
>there.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-17 21:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-14 20:05 [PATCH RFC RFT v2 0/5] fork: Support shadow stacks in clone3() Mark Brown
2023-11-14 20:05 ` [PATCH RFC RFT v2 1/5] mm: Introduce ARCH_HAS_USER_SHADOW_STACK Mark Brown
2023-11-14 23:22   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-15 14:55     ` Mark Brown
2023-11-15 15:12   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-11-15 15:36   ` Deepak Gupta
2023-11-14 20:05 ` [PATCH RFC RFT v2 2/5] fork: Add shadow stack support to clone3() Mark Brown
2023-11-15  0:45   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-15 12:36     ` Mark Brown
2023-11-15 16:20       ` Szabolcs.Nagy
2023-11-15 18:43         ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16  0:52           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-16 10:32             ` Szabolcs.Nagy
2023-11-16 12:33               ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 13:12                 ` Szabolcs.Nagy
2023-11-16 13:55                 ` Szabolcs.Nagy
2023-11-16 15:35                   ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 18:11                     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-16 18:41                       ` Mark Brown
2023-11-17 17:43                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-20 16:11                           ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 18:14             ` Mark Brown
2023-11-16 18:33               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-17 20:51   ` Deepak Gupta
2023-11-14 20:05 ` [PATCH RFC RFT v2 3/5] selftests/clone3: Factor more of main loop into test_clone3() Mark Brown
2023-11-14 20:05 ` [PATCH RFC RFT v2 4/5] selftests/clone3: Allow tests to flag if -E2BIG is a valid error code Mark Brown
2023-11-14 20:05 ` [PATCH RFC RFT v2 5/5] kselftest/clone3: Test shadow stack support Mark Brown
2023-11-14 23:11   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-15 12:53     ` Mark Brown
2023-11-17 18:16     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-11-17 21:12     ` Deepak Gupta [this message]
2023-11-20 15:47       ` Mark Brown

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