From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE7AC4167B for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1344940AbjK1UJ5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:09:57 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:52656 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229543AbjK1UJ4 (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Nov 2023 15:09:56 -0500 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA3A383 for ; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE5D6C433C7; Tue, 28 Nov 2023 20:10:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1701202202; bh=K6Xt5r/KWRZDak2N2GxiFYTdyVHnUjvbJFtqF4jWPwU=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=P98rUFF1CB6n+nrnecTOo8tJ13l1VIojfi4kCFPpiNzHrODvLKgPXwP5CRRUTgnYr LW3kkjgcS7/NI1AGsf7+8eIWHs7B92BkhQcIv48QvsZcS4K84cqvq23A4iYqQQ1q9Y 9x3AwvNpJCUQLQi3lxC9Ps3k+MzGNlCExkUuxwpo82A26bVPgZ/Mwq/4tAlS0kLxEq XVmrf6/VjtGVTQ5G4LamVdT/q5lZmHRelCqvwnzVj+hDywgTxXhwnSQYfXNX0ymYyG bLp6Jsiwo7ufstQ2fko0/+owq+mheZ/rqAA2AZuFCPT6ACcp33SmrVvl1NZGR6G1tW 5P5P3SRNqOZZA== Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 12:10:00 -0800 From: Saeed Mahameed To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Jason Gunthorpe , David Ahern , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arnd Bergmann , Leon Romanovsky , Jiri Pirko , Leonid Bloch , Itay Avraham , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Saeed Mahameed Subject: Re: [PATCH V3 2/5] misc: mlx5ctl: Add mlx5ctl misc driver Message-ID: References: <20231127161732.GL436702@nvidia.com> <2023112707-feline-unselect-692f@gregkh> <20231127160719.4a8b2ad1@kernel.org> <20231128044628.GA8901@u2004-local> <20231128065321.53d4d5bb@kernel.org> <20231128162413.GP436702@nvidia.com> <20231128084421.6321b9b2@kernel.org> <20231128175224.GR436702@nvidia.com> <20231128103304.25c2c642@kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20231128103304.25c2c642@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 28 Nov 10:33, Jakub Kicinski wrote: >On Tue, 28 Nov 2023 13:52:24 -0400 Jason Gunthorpe wrote: >> > The question at LPC was about making devlink params completely >> > transparent to the kernel. Basically added directly from FW. >> > That what I was not happy about. >> >> It is creating a back-porting nightmare for all the enterprise >> distributions. > >We don't care about enterprise distros, Jason, or stable kernel APIs. > Oh, I missed this one, so you don't care about users? Users often pay to distros for support, and distros always turn to vendors for debug situations, in fact one of the high stakeholders for this is an enterprise distro.. Also Jason and I are users, and more than 300 engineers at nvidia and dozens of customers are users, deploying 100s of thousands of ConnectX chips in their fleets. if it weren't important for us and our users, I wouldn't even fight this hard.. but it is important, and very useful, I can't express that hard enough. So you don't care ? Then don't ask about who the users are, in the other email, apparently it's all about your personal opinion and views about vendors what drives your responses. So it is really hard to debate with you..