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From: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>
To: Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Cc: Tanzir Hasan <tanzirh@google.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Nick DeSaulniers <nnn@google.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	llvm@lists.linux.dev, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] sh: Added kernel.h to word-at-a-time
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 19:23:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZYCACxTTc4j9VrIs@smile.fi.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKwvOdmMqJacYRfwohY-DXBbmNmz_M4EKUL1KuTv=tT2dO_p1g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 08:57:59AM -0800, Nick Desaulniers wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 11:09 AM Andy Shevchenko
> <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 8:31 PM Tanzir Hasan <tanzirh@google.com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 8:04 AM Andy Shevchenko <andy@kernel.org> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 09:06:12PM +0000, tanzirh@google.com wrote:

...

> > >> > +#include <linux/kernel.h>
> > >>
> > >> I highly discourage from doing that. Instead, split what is needed to
> > >> the separate (new) header and include that one.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think it would make the most sense to do this in a separate patch.
> > > What word-at-a-time.h needs from kernel.h is REPEAT_BYTE and to my knowledge,
> > > almost every other version of word-at-a-time.h includes kernel.h gets this by
> > > including kernel.h. A future change could be removing REPEAT_BYTE
> > > out of kernel.h
> >
> > Just create a patch that either moves that macro (along with upper_*()
> > and lower_*() APIs) to a more distinguishable header
> > (maybe bytes.h or words.h or wordpart.h, etc) and use it in your case
> > and fix others.
> 
> Andy,
> These are good suggestions and we should do them...
> 
> ...and Tanzir only has 3 weeks left of his internship.  I don't want
> him to get bogged down chasing build regressions from modifying the
> headers themselves.  I think what's best for him from here through the
> remainder of his internship is to stay focused on applying suggestions
> from IWYU to just modify the #include list of .c files, and not start
> splitting .h files.  Splitting the .h files will be the next step, and
> is made easier by having the codebase not have so many indirect
> includes (via IWYU), but we need time to soak header changes, and time
> Tanzir does not have.  Please can we keep the suggestions focused on
> whether the modifications to the header includes (and the tangential
> cleanups) are correct?

Understood. Can we add a comment like

/* FIXME: replace with a proper header to avoid dependency hell */
#include <linux/kernel.h>

?

> While REPEAT_BYTE has a manageable number of users, upper_* and
> lower_* have significantly more; I worry about moving those causing
> regressions.

If you look at how I did similar in the past, I back included new header
into kernel.h. Not the pretty solution, but allows to split in the new code.

> We can move them, but such changes would need significantly more soak time

s/significantly//

But I got your point, see above.

> than this series IMO. Tanzir is also working on statistical analysis; I
> suspect if he analyzes include/linux/kernel.h, he can comment on whether the
> usage of REPEAT_BYTE is correlated with the usage of upper_* and lower_* in
> order to inform whether they should be grouped together or not.

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-18 17:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-14 21:06 [PATCH v2 0/2] shrink lib/string.i via IWYU tanzirh
2023-12-14 21:06 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] sh: Added kernel.h to word-at-a-time tanzirh
2023-12-14 21:37   ` Kees Cook
2023-12-14 21:51     ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-12-15 16:04   ` Andy Shevchenko
     [not found]     ` <CAE-cH4p5VJ_A91BAkURBN67ACA0_u7T8UhApUYLQDWeeRY6FWA@mail.gmail.com>
2023-12-15 19:09       ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-12-18 16:57         ` Nick Desaulniers
2023-12-18 17:05           ` Tanzir Hasan
2023-12-18 17:25             ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-12-18 17:23           ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2023-12-14 21:06 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] lib/string: shrink lib/string.i via IWYU tanzirh
2023-12-14 21:39   ` Kees Cook
2023-12-15 16:08   ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-01-09 21:49   ` Justin Stitt
2024-01-11  0:07     ` Kees Cook

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