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From: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Zhang Yi <yi.zhang@huaweicloud.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tytso@mit.edu, djwong@kernel.org, john.g.garry@oracle.com,
	bmarzins@redhat.com, chaitanyak@nvidia.com,
	shinichiro.kawasaki@wdc.com, yi.zhang@huawei.com,
	chengzhihao1@huawei.com, yukuai3@huawei.com,
	yangerkun@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH -next v3 01/10] block: introduce BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP to queue limits features
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:20:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z_d_VDvgBkgt4UhS@kbusch-mbp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250410071559.GA32420@lst.de>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 09:15:59AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:52:17AM +0800, Zhang Yi wrote:
> > 
> > Thank you for your review and comments. However, I'm not sure I fully
> > understand your points. Could you please provide more details?
> > 
> > AFAIK, the NVMe protocol has the following description in the latest
> > NVM Command Set Specification Figure 82 and Figure 114:
> > 
> > ===
> > Deallocate (DEAC): If this bit is set to `1´, then the host is
> > requesting that the controller deallocate the specified logical blocks.
> > If this bit is cleared to `0´, then the host is not requesting that
> > the controller deallocate the specified logical blocks...
> > 
> > DLFEAT:
> > Write Zeroes Deallocation Support (WZDS): If this bit is set to `1´,
> > then the controller supports the Deallocate bit in the Write Zeroes
> > command for this namespace...
> 
> Yes.  The host is requesting, not the controller shall.  It's not
> guaranteed behavior and the controller might as well actually write
> zeroes to the media.  That is rather stupid, but still.

I guess some controllers _really_ want specific alignments to
successfully do a proper discard. While still not guaranteed in spec, I
think it is safe to assume a proper deallocation will occur if you align
to NPDA and NPDG. Otherwise, the controller may do a read-modify-write
to ensure zeroes are returned for the requested LBA range on anything
that straddles an implementation specific boundary.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-10  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-18  7:35 [RFC PATCH -next v3 00/10] fallocate: introduce FALLOC_FL_WRITE_ZEROES flag Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 01/10] block: introduce BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP to queue limits features Zhang Yi
2025-04-09 10:31   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-10  3:52     ` Zhang Yi
2025-04-10  7:15       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-10  8:20         ` Keith Busch [this message]
2025-04-10  9:35           ` Zhang Yi
2025-04-10  9:15         ` Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 02/10] nvme: set BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP if device supports DEAC bit Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 03/10] nvme-multipath: add BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP support Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 04/10] nvmet: set WZDS and DRB if device supports BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP Zhang Yi
2025-04-09 10:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 05/10] scsi: sd: set BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP if device supports unmap zeroing mode Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 06/10] dm: add BLK_FEAT_WRITE_ZEROES_UNMAP support Zhang Yi
2025-03-19 19:50   ` Benjamin Marzinski
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 07/10] fs: introduce FALLOC_FL_WRITE_ZEROES to fallocate Zhang Yi
2025-04-09 10:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-09 10:50     ` Christian Brauner
2025-04-18  6:44       ` Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 08/10] block: add FALLOC_FL_WRITE_ZEROES support Zhang Yi
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 09/10] block: factor out common part in blkdev_fallocate() Zhang Yi
2025-04-09 10:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-09 10:36     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-03-18  7:35 ` [RFC PATCH -next v3 10/10] ext4: add FALLOC_FL_WRITE_ZEROES support Zhang Yi

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