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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	 Neeraj Upadhyay <quic_neeraju@quicinc.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	 Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	 Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Avoid rcu_core() if CPU just left guest vcpu
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2024 14:29:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zh2cPJ-5xh72ojzu@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zh2EQVj5bC0z5R90@tpad>

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 10:16:24AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 05, 2024, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > Beyond a certain point, we have no choice.  How long should RCU let
> > > a CPU run with preemption disabled before complaining?  We choose 21
> > > seconds in mainline and some distros choose 60 seconds.  Android chooses
> > > 20 milliseconds for synchronize_rcu_expedited() grace periods.
> > 
> > Issuing a warning based on an arbitrary time limit is wildly different than using
> > an arbitrary time window to make functional decisions.  My objection to the "assume
> > the CPU will enter a quiescent state if it exited a KVM guest in the last second"
> > is that there are plenty of scenarios where that assumption falls apart, i.e. where
> > _that_ physical CPU will not re-enter the guest.
> > 
> > Off the top of my head:
> > 
> >  - If the vCPU is migrated to a different physical CPU (pCPU), the *old* pCPU
> >    will get false positives, and the *new* pCPU will get false negatives (though
> >    the false negatives aren't all that problematic since the pCPU will enter a
> >    quiescent state on the next VM-Enter.
> > 
> >  - If the vCPU halts, in which case KVM will schedule out the vCPU/task, i.e.
> >    won't re-enter the guest.  And so the pCPU will get false positives until the
> >    vCPU gets a wake event or the 1 second window expires.
> > 
> >  - If the VM terminates, the pCPU will get false positives until the 1 second
> >    window expires.
> > 
> > The false positives are solvable problems, by hooking vcpu_put() to reset
> > kvm_last_guest_exit.  And to help with the false negatives when a vCPU task is
> > scheduled in on a different pCPU, KVM would hook vcpu_load().
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> So this should deal with it? (untested, don't apply...).

Not entirely.  As I belatedly noted, hooking vcpu_put() doesn't handle the case
where the vCPU is preempted, i.e. kvm_sched_out() would also need to zero out
kvm_last_guest_exit to avoid a false positive.  Going through the scheduler will
note the CPU is quiescent for the current grace period, but after that RCU will
still see a non-zero kvm_last_guest_exit even though the vCPU task isn't actively
running.

And snapshotting the VM-Exit time will get false negatives when the vCPU is about
to run, but for whatever reason has kvm_last_guest_exit=0, e.g. if a vCPU was
preempted and/or migrated to a different pCPU.

I don't understand the motivation for keeping the kvm_last_guest_exit logic.  My
understanding is that RCU already has a timeout to avoid stalling RCU.  I don't
see what is gained by effectively duplicating that timeout for KVM.  Why not have
KVM provide a "this task is in KVM_RUN" flag, and then let the existing timeout
handle the (hopefully rare) case where KVM doesn't "immediately" re-enter the guest?

> diff --git a/include/linux/kvm_host.h b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> index 48f31dcd318a..be90d83d631a 100644
> --- a/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> +++ b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> @@ -477,6 +477,16 @@ static __always_inline void guest_state_enter_irqoff(void)
>  	lockdep_hardirqs_on(CALLER_ADDR0);
>  }
>  
> +DECLARE_PER_CPU(unsigned long, kvm_last_guest_exit);
> +
> +/*
> + * Returns time (jiffies) for the last guest exit in current cpu
> + */
> +static inline unsigned long guest_exit_last_time(void)
> +{
> +	return this_cpu_read(kvm_last_guest_exit);
> +}
> +
>  /*
>   * Exit guest context and exit an RCU extended quiescent state.
>   *
> @@ -488,6 +498,9 @@ static __always_inline void guest_state_enter_irqoff(void)
>  static __always_inline void guest_context_exit_irqoff(void)
>  {
>  	context_tracking_guest_exit();
> +
> +	/* Keeps track of last guest exit */
> +	this_cpu_write(kvm_last_guest_exit, jiffies);
>  }
>  
>  /*
> diff --git a/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c b/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
> index fb49c2a60200..231d0e4d2cf1 100644
> --- a/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
> +++ b/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
> @@ -110,6 +110,9 @@ static struct kmem_cache *kvm_vcpu_cache;
>  static __read_mostly struct preempt_ops kvm_preempt_ops;
>  static DEFINE_PER_CPU(struct kvm_vcpu *, kvm_running_vcpu);
>  
> +DEFINE_PER_CPU(unsigned long, kvm_last_guest_exit);
> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(kvm_last_guest_exit);
> +
>  struct dentry *kvm_debugfs_dir;
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(kvm_debugfs_dir);
>  
> @@ -210,6 +213,7 @@ void vcpu_load(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
>  	int cpu = get_cpu();
>  
>  	__this_cpu_write(kvm_running_vcpu, vcpu);
> +	__this_cpu_write(kvm_last_guest_exit, 0);
>  	preempt_notifier_register(&vcpu->preempt_notifier);
>  	kvm_arch_vcpu_load(vcpu, cpu);
>  	put_cpu();
> @@ -222,6 +226,7 @@ void vcpu_put(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
>  	kvm_arch_vcpu_put(vcpu);
>  	preempt_notifier_unregister(&vcpu->preempt_notifier);
>  	__this_cpu_write(kvm_running_vcpu, NULL);
> +	__this_cpu_write(kvm_last_guest_exit, 0);
>  	preempt_enable();
>  }
>  EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(vcpu_put);
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-15 21:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-28 17:19 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Avoid rcu_core() if CPU just left guest vcpu Leonardo Bras
2024-03-28 17:19 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] kvm: Implement guest_exit_last_time() Leonardo Bras
2024-03-28 17:19 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] rcu: Ignore RCU in nohz_full cpus if it was running a guest recently Leonardo Bras
2024-04-01 15:52   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-04-01 20:21 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] Avoid rcu_core() if CPU just left guest vcpu Sean Christopherson
2024-04-05 13:45   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-04-05 14:42     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-06  0:03       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-04-08 17:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-08 18:42           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-04-08 20:06             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-08 21:02               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-04-08 21:56                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-08 22:35                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-04-08 23:06                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-08 23:20                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-04-10  2:39           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-04-15 19:47           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-04-15 21:29             ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-04-16 12:36               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-04-16 14:07                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-04-17 16:14                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-04-17 17:22                     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-03 20:44                       ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-06 18:47                         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2024-05-07 18:05                           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 22:36                             ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-03 18:42   ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-03 19:09     ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-03 21:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-03 22:00       ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-03 22:00       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-07 17:55         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 19:15           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-07 21:00             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-07 21:37               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-07 23:47                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-08  0:08                   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-08  2:51                     ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-08  3:22                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-08  6:19                         ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-08 14:01                           ` Sean Christopherson
2024-05-09  3:32                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-09  8:16                               ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-09 10:14                                 ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-09 23:45                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-10 16:06                                     ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-10 16:21                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-10 17:12                                         ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-10 17:41                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-10 19:50                                             ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-10 21:15                                               ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-10 21:38                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-09 22:41                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-09 23:07                                   ` Leonardo Bras Soares Passos
2024-05-11  2:08                             ` Leonardo Bras
2024-05-08  3:20                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-08  4:04                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-08 14:36                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-05-08 15:35                       ` Sean Christopherson

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