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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v5 06/30] printk: nbcon: Add callbacks to synchronize with driver
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 15:31:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZkdcFxW-e9LVmMd8@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240502213839.376636-7-john.ogness@linutronix.de>

Hi,

On Thu 2024-05-02 23:44:15, John Ogness wrote:
> Console drivers typically must deal with access to the hardware
> via user input/output (such as an interactive login shell) and
> output of kernel messages via printk() calls. To provide the
> necessary synchronization, usually some driver-specific locking
> mechanism is used (for example, the port spinlock for uart
> serial consoles).
>
> Until now, usage of this driver-specific locking has been hidden
> from the printk-subsystem and implemented within the various
> console callbacks. However, for nbcon consoles, it is necessary
> that the printk-subsystem uses the driver-specific locking so
> that nbcon console ownership can be acquired _after_ the
> driver-specific locking has succeeded. This allows for lock
> contention to exist on the more context-friendly driver-specific
> locking rather than nbcon console ownership (for non-emergency
> and non-panic cases).

Honestly, the above paragraph is kind of a puzzle. My first
understanding was that the driver-specific lock will always
need to be taken before acquiring the nbcon console ownership.

I believe that it is actually correct. But the right meaning
is hidden in the wording. I had to read it many times to get
it correctly and I knew what I was looking for.

I have to admit that providing a good explanation is probably
very hard. A proof is the long discussion in v4, see
https://lore.kernel.org/r/20240402221129.2613843-7-john.ogness@linutronix.de

BTW: I wonder if you use AI for generating the commit message.
     My experience is that AI produces longer fancy sentences
     which might be good for a novel but they sometimes hide
     the important details.



> Require nbcon consoles to implement two new callbacks
> (device_lock(), device_unlock()) that will use whatever
> synchronization mechanism the driver is using for itself.
> 
> Signed-off-by: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>

My attempt of a more strightforwward explanation:

<proposal>
Console drivers typically must deal with access to the hardware
via user input/output (such as an interactive login shell) and
output of kernel messages via printk() calls. To provide the
necessary synchronization, usually some driver-specific locking
mechanism is used (for example, the port spinlock for uart
serial consoles).

Until now, usage of this driver-specific locking has been hidden
from the printk-subsystem and implemented within the various
console callbacks. However, nbcon consoles would need to use it
even in the generic code.

Add device_lock() and device_unlock() callback which will need
to get implemented by nbcon consoles.

The callbacks will use whatever synchronization mechanism the driver
is using for itself. The minimum requirement is to prevent CPU
migration. It would allow a context friendly acquiring of nbcon
console ownership in non-emergency and non-panic context.
</proposal>

That said, I could live even with the original commit message.
Eitherway:

Reviewed-by: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>

Best Regards,
Petr

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-17 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-02 21:38 [PATCH printk v5 00/30] wire up write_atomic() printing John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 01/30] printk: Add notation to console_srcu locking John Ogness
2024-05-07 12:16   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 02/30] printk: Properly deal with nbcon consoles on seq init John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 03/30] printk: nbcon: Remove return value for write_atomic() John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 04/30] printk: Check printk_deferred_enter()/_exit() usage John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 05/30] printk: nbcon: Add detailed doc for write_atomic() John Ogness
2024-05-07 12:26   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 06/30] printk: nbcon: Add callbacks to synchronize with driver John Ogness
2024-05-17 13:31   ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2024-05-17 14:00     ` John Ogness
2024-05-17 14:40       ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 07/30] printk: nbcon: Use driver synchronization while (un)registering John Ogness
2024-05-06 10:27   ` John Ogness
2024-05-17 13:44     ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 08/30] serial: core: Provide low-level functions to lock port John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 09/30] serial: core: Introduce wrapper to set @uart_port->cons John Ogness
2024-05-03  8:09   ` Théo Lebrun
2024-05-04 16:08   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-05-17 14:51   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 10/30] console: Improve console_srcu_read_flags() comments John Ogness
2024-05-17 14:55   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 11/30] nbcon: Provide functions for drivers to acquire console for non-printing John Ogness
2024-05-06 10:29   ` John Ogness
2024-05-20 12:13   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 12/30] serial: core: Implement processing in port->lock wrapper John Ogness
2024-05-04 16:08   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-05-20 12:22   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 13/30] printk: nbcon: Do not rely on proxy headers John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 14/30] printk: nbcon: Fix kerneldoc for enums John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 15/30] printk: Make console_is_usable() available to nbcon John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 16/30] printk: Let console_is_usable() handle nbcon John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 17/30] printk: Add @flags argument for console_is_usable() John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 18/30] printk: nbcon: Add helper to assign priority based on CPU state John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 19/30] printk: nbcon: Provide function to flush using write_atomic() John Ogness
2024-05-20 15:04   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-21 19:07     ` John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 20/30] printk: Track registered boot consoles John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 21/30] printk: nbcon: Use nbcon consoles in console_flush_all() John Ogness
2024-05-21  8:41   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 22/30] printk: nbcon: Add unsafe flushing on panic John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 23/30] printk: Avoid console_lock dance if no legacy or boot consoles John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 24/30] printk: Track nbcon consoles John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 25/30] printk: Coordinate direct printing in panic John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 26/30] printk: nbcon: Implement emergency sections John Ogness
2024-05-06 10:39   ` John Ogness
2024-05-21 12:37     ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-21 13:38   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 27/30] panic: Mark emergency section in warn John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 28/30] panic: Mark emergency section in oops John Ogness
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 29/30] rcu: Mark emergency sections in rcu stalls John Ogness
2024-05-21 14:03   ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 21:38 ` [PATCH printk v5 30/30] lockdep: Mark emergency sections in lockdep splats John Ogness
2024-05-21 15:13   ` Petr Mladek

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