From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kernel-team@meta.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rcu 6/9] rcu: Add rcutree.nocb_patience_delay to reduce nohz_full OS jitter
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2024 00:18:22 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZocfrlMurvbl-JbY@pavilion.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99721e1b-8752-4381-af2d-526f9b5c325c@paulmck-laptop>
Le Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 10:25:57AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 06:21:01PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Tue, Jun 04, 2024 at 03:23:52PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> > > If a CPU is running either a userspace application or a guest OS in
> > > nohz_full mode, it is possible for a system call to occur just as an
> > > RCU grace period is starting. If that CPU also has the scheduling-clock
> > > tick enabled for any reason (such as a second runnable task), and if the
> > > system was booted with rcutree.use_softirq=0, then RCU can add insult to
> > > injury by awakening that CPU's rcuc kthread, resulting in yet another
> > > task and yet more OS jitter due to switching to that task, running it,
> > > and switching back.
> > >
> > > In addition, in the common case where that system call is not of
> > > excessively long duration, awakening the rcuc task is pointless.
> > > This pointlessness is due to the fact that the CPU will enter an extended
> > > quiescent state upon returning to the userspace application or guest OS.
> > > In this case, the rcuc kthread cannot do anything that the main RCU
> > > grace-period kthread cannot do on its behalf, at least if it is given
> > > a few additional milliseconds (for example, given the time duration
> > > specified by rcutree.jiffies_till_first_fqs, give or take scheduling
> > > delays).
> > >
> > > This commit therefore adds a rcutree.nocb_patience_delay kernel boot
> > > parameter that specifies the grace period age (in milliseconds)
> > > before which RCU will refrain from awakening the rcuc kthread.
> > > Preliminary experiementation suggests a value of 1000, that is,
> > > one second. Increasing rcutree.nocb_patience_delay will increase
> > > grace-period latency and in turn increase memory footprint, so systems
> > > with constrained memory might choose a smaller value. Systems with
> > > less-aggressive OS-jitter requirements might choose the default value
> > > of zero, which keeps the traditional immediate-wakeup behavior, thus
> > > avoiding increases in grace-period latency.
> > >
> > > [ paulmck: Apply Leonardo Bras feedback. ]
> > >
> > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240328171949.743211-1-leobras@redhat.com/
> > >
> > > Reported-by: Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>
> > > Suggested-by: Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>
> > > Suggested-by: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
> > > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> > > Reviewed-by: Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>
> > > ---
> > > Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 8 ++++++++
> > > kernel/rcu/tree.c | 10 ++++++++--
> > > kernel/rcu/tree_plugin.h | 10 ++++++++++
> > > 3 files changed, 26 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > > index 500cfa7762257..2d4a512cf1fc6 100644
> > > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> > > @@ -5018,6 +5018,14 @@
> > > the ->nocb_bypass queue. The definition of "too
> > > many" is supplied by this kernel boot parameter.
> > >
> > > + rcutree.nocb_patience_delay= [KNL]
> > > + On callback-offloaded (rcu_nocbs) CPUs, avoid
> > > + disturbing RCU unless the grace period has
> > > + reached the specified age in milliseconds.
> > > + Defaults to zero. Large values will be capped
> > > + at five seconds. All values will be rounded down
> > > + to the nearest value representable by jiffies.
> > > +
> > > rcutree.qhimark= [KNL]
> > > Set threshold of queued RCU callbacks beyond which
> > > batch limiting is disabled.
> > > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree.c b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > index 35bf4a3736765..408b020c9501f 100644
> > > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > > @@ -176,6 +176,9 @@ static int gp_init_delay;
> > > module_param(gp_init_delay, int, 0444);
> > > static int gp_cleanup_delay;
> > > module_param(gp_cleanup_delay, int, 0444);
> > > +static int nocb_patience_delay;
> > > +module_param(nocb_patience_delay, int, 0444);
> > > +static int nocb_patience_delay_jiffies;
> > >
> > > // Add delay to rcu_read_unlock() for strict grace periods.
> > > static int rcu_unlock_delay;
> > > @@ -4344,11 +4347,14 @@ static int rcu_pending(int user)
> > > return 1;
> > >
> > > /* Is this a nohz_full CPU in userspace or idle? (Ignore RCU if so.) */
> > > - if ((user || rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle()) && rcu_nohz_full_cpu())
> > > + gp_in_progress = rcu_gp_in_progress();
> > > + if ((user || rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle() ||
> > > + (gp_in_progress &&
> > > + time_before(jiffies, READ_ONCE(rcu_state.gp_start) + nocb_patience_delay_jiffies))) &&
> > > + rcu_nohz_full_cpu())
> >
> > The rcu_nohz_full_cpu() test should go before anything in order to benefit from
> > the static key in tick_nohz_full_cpu().
>
> That has had the wrong order since forever. ;-)
>
> But good to fix. I will queue a separate patch for Neeraj to consider
> for the v6.12 merge window.
>
> > And since it only applies to nohz_full, should it be called
> > nohz_full_patience_delay ?
> >
> > Or do we want to generalize it to all nocb uses
> > (which means only rely on rcu_is_cpu_rrupt_from_idle() if not nohz_full). Not
> > sure if that would make sense...
>
> I don't believe that this makes sense except for nohz_full guest OSes.
>
> I am good with nohz_full_patience_delay_jiffies. (Or did you really
> want to drop "_jiffies", and if so, did you also want some other units?)
>
> Last chance to object to the name. ;-)
A bit long but I don't have a better proposal :-)
>
> And next time we go through the patches a bit longer before the merge
> window!
My bad, I overlooked that one when it was posted.
Thanks.
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Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-04 22:23 [PATCH rcu 0/9] Miscellaneous fixes for v6.11 Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 1/9] rcu: Add lockdep_assert_in_rcu_read_lock() and friends Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-20 19:38 ` Jeff Johnson
2025-02-20 22:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-20 23:51 ` Jeff Johnson
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 2/9] rcu: Reduce synchronize_rcu() delays when all wait heads are in use Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-05 12:09 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-05 18:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-06 3:46 ` Neeraj Upadhyay
2024-06-06 16:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-11 10:12 ` Uladzislau Rezki
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 3/9] rcu/tree: Reduce wake up for synchronize_rcu() common case Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-05 16:35 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-06-05 18:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-06 5:58 ` Neeraj upadhyay
2024-06-06 18:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-07 1:51 ` Neeraj upadhyay
2024-06-10 15:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-11 13:46 ` Neeraj upadhyay
2024-06-11 16:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 4/9] rcu: Disable interrupts directly in rcu_gp_init() Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 5/9] srcu: Disable interrupts directly in srcu_gp_end() Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 6/9] rcu: Add rcutree.nocb_patience_delay to reduce nohz_full OS jitter Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-10 5:05 ` Leonardo Bras
2024-06-10 15:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-03 16:21 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2024-07-03 17:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-04 22:18 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2024-07-05 0:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 7/9] MAINTAINERS: Add Uladzislau Rezki as RCU maintainer Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 8/9] rcu: Eliminate lockless accesses to rcu_sync->gp_count Paul E. McKenney
2024-06-04 22:23 ` [PATCH rcu 9/9] rcu: Fix rcu_barrier() VS post CPUHP_TEARDOWN_CPU invocation Paul E. McKenney
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