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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "Nikunj A. Dadhania" <nikunj@amd.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, thomas.lendacky@amd.com,
	bp@alien8.de,  x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, tglx@linutronix.de,
	 dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, pgonda@google.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 19/20] x86/kvmclock: Skip kvmclock when Secure TSC is available
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:21:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zu0iiMoLJprb4nUP@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2870c470-06c8-aa9c-0257-3f9652a4ccd8@amd.com>

On Fri, Sep 20, 2024, Nikunj A. Dadhania wrote:
> On 9/18/2024 5:37 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, Nikunj A. Dadhania wrote:
> >> On 9/13/2024 11:00 PM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Nikunj A Dadhania <nikunj@amd.com>
> >>>> Tested-by: Peter Gonda <pgonda@google.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>  arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c | 2 +-
> >>>>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c b/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
> >>>> index 5b2c15214a6b..3d03b4c937b9 100644
> >>>> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
> >>>> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/kvmclock.c
> >>>> @@ -289,7 +289,7 @@ void __init kvmclock_init(void)
> >>>>  {
> >>>>  	u8 flags;
> >>>>  
> >>>> -	if (!kvm_para_available() || !kvmclock)
> >>>> +	if (!kvm_para_available() || !kvmclock || cc_platform_has(CC_ATTR_GUEST_SECURE_TSC))
> >>>
> >>> I would much prefer we solve the kvmclock vs. TSC fight in a generic way.  Unless
> >>> I've missed something, the fact that the TSC is more trusted in the SNP/TDX world
> >>> is simply what's forcing the issue, but it's not actually the reason why Linux
> >>> should prefer the TSC over kvmclock.  The underlying reason is that platforms that
> >>> support SNP/TDX are guaranteed to have a stable, always running TSC, i.e. that the
> >>> TSC is a superior timesource purely from a functionality perspective.  That it's
> >>> more secure is icing on the cake.
> >>
> >> Are you suggesting that whenever the guest is either SNP or TDX, kvmclock
> >> should be disabled assuming that timesource is stable and always running?
> > 
> > No, I'm saying that the guest should prefer the raw TSC over kvmclock if the TSC
> > is stable, irrespective of SNP or TDX.  This is effectively already done for the
> > timekeeping base (see commit 7539b174aef4 ("x86: kvmguest: use TSC clocksource if
> > invariant TSC is exposed")), but the scheduler still uses kvmclock thanks to the
> > kvm_sched_clock_init() code.
> 
> The kvm-clock and tsc-early both are having the rating of 299. As they are of
> same rating, kvm-clock is being picked up first.
> 
> Is it fine to drop the clock rating of kvmclock to 298 ? With this tsc-early will
> be picked up instead.

IMO, it's ugly, but that's a problem with the rating system inasmuch as anything.

But the kernel will still be using kvmclock for the scheduler clock, which is
undesirable.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-20  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-31 15:07 [PATCH v11 00/20] Add Secure TSC support for SNP guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 01/20] virt: sev-guest: Replace dev_dbg with pr_debug Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-08-27  8:48   ` [tip: x86/sev] virt: sev-guest: Replace dev_dbg() with pr_debug() tip-bot2 for Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 02/20] virt: sev-guest: Rename local guest message variables Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-08-27  8:48   ` [tip: x86/sev] " tip-bot2 for Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 17:22   ` [PATCH v11 02/20] " Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 03/20] virt: sev-guest: Fix user-visible strings Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-08-27  8:48   ` [tip: x86/sev] " tip-bot2 for Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 17:26   ` [PATCH v11 03/20] " Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 04/20] virt: sev-guest: Ensure the SNP guest messages do not exceed a page Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-08-27  8:48   ` [tip: x86/sev] " tip-bot2 for Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 05/20] virt: sev-guest: Use AES GCM crypto library Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 06/20] x86/sev: Handle failures from snp_init() Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-08-27 11:32   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-08-28  4:47     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-08-28  9:49       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-08-28 10:16         ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-08-28 10:23           ` Borislav Petkov
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 07/20] x86/sev: Cache the secrets page address Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v11 08/20] virt: sev-guest: Consolidate SNP guest messaging parameters to a struct Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-04 14:31   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-09-05  4:35     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 09/20] virt: sev-guest: Reduce the scope of SNP command mutex Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-12 21:54   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-13  4:26     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-13 14:06       ` Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 10/20] virt: sev-guest: Carve out SNP message context structure Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 15:52   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 11/20] x86/sev: Carve out and export SNP guest messaging init routines Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 15:53   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 12/20] x86/sev: Relocate SNP guest messaging routines to common code Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 16:27   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-16  4:42     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 13/20] x86/cc: Add CC_ATTR_GUEST_SECURE_TSC Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 15:21   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-16  4:53     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 14/20] x86/sev: Add Secure TSC support for SNP guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 16:29   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 15/20] x86/sev: Change TSC MSR behavior for Secure TSC enabled guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 16/20] x86/sev: Prevent RDTSC/RDTSCP interception " Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 16:49   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 17/20] x86/sev: Allow Secure TSC feature for SNP guests Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 16:53   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-16  6:23     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 18/20] x86/sev: Mark Secure TSC as reliable clocksource Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 16:59   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 19/20] x86/kvmclock: Skip kvmclock when Secure TSC is available Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 17:19   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-13 17:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-16 15:20     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-18 12:07       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-20  5:15         ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-20  7:21           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-09-20  8:54             ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-25  8:53               ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-25 12:55                 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-09-30  6:27                   ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-30 21:20                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-01  4:26                       ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-10-01 14:36                         ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-07-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v11 20/20] x86/cpu/amd: Do not print FW_BUG for Secure TSC Nikunj A Dadhania
2024-09-13 17:21   ` Tom Lendacky
2024-09-13 17:42   ` Jim Mattson
2024-09-16 11:40     ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2024-09-16 20:21       ` Jim Mattson
2024-08-14  4:14 ` [PATCH v11 00/20] Add Secure TSC support for SNP guests Nikunj A. Dadhania

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