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From: Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de, vschneid@redhat.com,
	lukasz.luba@arm.com, rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, qyousef@layalina.io,
	hongyan.xia2@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched/fair: Use EAS also when overutilized
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:17:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zu2gHOv7mqArWXLZ@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240830130309.2141697-5-vincent.guittot@linaro.org>

Hi Vincent,

On Friday 30 Aug 2024 at 15:03:08 (+0200), Vincent Guittot wrote:
> Keep looking for an energy efficient CPU even when the system is
> overutilized and use the CPU returned by feec() if it has been able to find
> one. Otherwise fallback to the default performance and spread mode of the
> scheduler.
> A system can become overutilized for a short time when workers of a
> workqueue wake up for a short background work like vmstat update.
> Continuing to look for a energy efficient CPU will prevent to break the
> power packing of tasks.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
> ---
>  kernel/sched/fair.c | 2 +-
>  1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> 
> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> index 2273eecf6086..e46af2416159 100644
> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> @@ -8505,7 +8505,7 @@ select_task_rq_fair(struct task_struct *p, int prev_cpu, int wake_flags)
>  		    cpumask_test_cpu(cpu, p->cpus_ptr))
>  			return cpu;
>  
> -		if (!is_rd_overutilized(this_rq()->rd)) {
> +		if (sched_energy_enabled()) {

As mentioned during LPC, when there is no idle time on a CPU, the
utilization value of the tasks running on it is no longer a good
approximation for how much the tasks want, it becomes an image of how
much CPU time they were given. That is particularly problematic in the
co-scheduling case, but not just.

IOW, when we're OU, the util values are bogus, so using feec() is frankly
wrong IMO. If we don't have a good idea of how long tasks want to run,
the EM just can't help us with anything so we should stay away from it.

I understand how just plain bailing out as we do today is sub-optimal,
but whatever we do to improve on that can't be doing utilization-based
task placement.

Have you considered making the default (non-EAS) wake-up path a little
more reluctant to migrations when EAS is enabled? That should allow us
to maintain a somewhat stable task placement when OU is only transient
(e.g. due to misfit), but without using util values when we really
shouldn't.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Quentin

>  			new_cpu = find_energy_efficient_cpu(p, prev_cpu);
>  			if (new_cpu >= 0)
>  				return new_cpu;
> -- 
> 2.34.1
> 
> 

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-09-20 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-30 13:03 [PATCH 0/5] sched/fair: Rework EAS to handle more cases Vincent Guittot
2024-08-30 13:03 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/fair: Filter false overloaded_group case for EAS Vincent Guittot
2024-09-02  9:01   ` Hongyan Xia
2024-09-06  6:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-13 13:21   ` Pierre Gondois
2024-08-30 13:03 ` [PATCH 2/5] energy model: Add a get previous state function Vincent Guittot
2024-09-05  9:21   ` Lukasz Luba
2024-09-06  6:55     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-08-30 13:03 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched/fair: Rework feec() to use cost instead of spare capacity Vincent Guittot
2024-09-02  9:11   ` kernel test robot
2024-09-02 11:03   ` Hongyan Xia
2024-09-06  7:08     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-06 15:32       ` Hongyan Xia
2024-09-12 12:12         ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-04 15:07   ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-06  7:08     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-11 14:02   ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-11 16:51     ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-12 12:22     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-12-05 16:23       ` Pierre Gondois
2024-08-30 13:03 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched/fair: Use EAS also when overutilized Vincent Guittot
2024-09-17 20:24   ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-19  8:25     ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-25 13:28       ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-07  7:03         ` Pierre Gondois
2024-10-09  8:53           ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-11 12:52             ` Pierre Gondois
2024-10-15 12:47               ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-31 15:21                 ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-25 13:07     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-20 16:17   ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2024-09-25 13:27     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-26  9:10       ` Quentin Perret
2024-10-01 16:20         ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-01 17:50           ` Quentin Perret
2024-10-02  7:11             ` Lukasz Luba
2024-10-02  7:55               ` Quentin Perret
2024-10-02  9:54                 ` Lukasz Luba
2024-10-03  6:27             ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-03  8:15               ` Lukasz Luba
2024-10-03  8:26                 ` Quentin Perret
2024-10-03  8:52                 ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-03  8:21               ` Quentin Perret
2024-10-03  8:57                 ` Vincent Guittot
2024-10-03  9:52                   ` Quentin Perret
2024-10-03 13:26                     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-11-19 14:46               ` Christian Loehle
2024-08-30 13:03 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] sched/fair: Add push task callback for EAS Vincent Guittot
2024-09-09  9:59   ` Christian Loehle
2024-09-09 12:54     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-11 14:03   ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-12 12:30     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-13  9:09       ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-24 12:37         ` Vincent Guittot
2024-09-13 16:08   ` Pierre Gondois
2024-09-24 13:00     ` Vincent Guittot
2024-11-07 10:14 ` [PATCH 0/5] sched/fair: Rework EAS to handle more cases Pierre Gondois
2024-11-08  9:27   ` Vincent Guittot
2024-11-08 13:10     ` Pierre Gondois
2024-11-11 19:08       ` Vincent Guittot
2024-11-28 17:24 ` Hongyan Xia
2024-11-30 10:50   ` Vincent Guittot

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