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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
Cc: Vipin Sharma <vipinsh@google.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, zhi.wang.linux@gmail.com,
	 weijiang.yang@intel.com, mizhang@google.com,
	liangchen.linux@gmail.com,  kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] KVM: x86/mmu: Use MMU shrinker to shrink KVM MMU memory caches
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:49:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zx_45FUW1QddzqOU@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALzav=e7utP8wT_0t2bnVjyezyde7q86F3BHTsSpR1=qVbexQg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024, David Matlack wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 10:37 AM Vipin Sharma <vipinsh@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 4:25 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2024, Vipin Sharma wrote:
> > > > +out_mmu_memory_cache_unlock:
> > > > +     mutex_unlock(&vcpu->arch.mmu_memory_cache_lock);
> > >
> > > I've been thinking about this patch on and off for the past few weeks, and every
> > > time I come back to it I can't shake the feeling that we came up with a clever
> > > solution for a problem that doesn't exist.  I can't recall a single complaint
> > > about KVM consuming an unreasonable amount of memory for page tables.  In fact,
> > > the only time I can think of where the code in question caused problems was when
> > > I unintentionally inverted the iterator and zapped the newest SPs instead of the
> > > oldest SPs.
> > >
> > > So, I'm leaning more and more toward simply removing the shrinker integration.
> >
> > One thing we can agree on is that we don't need MMU shrinker in its
> > current form because it is removing pages which are very well being
> > used by VM instead of shrinking its cache.
> >
> > Regarding the current series, the biggest VM in GCE we can have 416
> > vCPUs, considering each thread can have 40 pages in its cache, total
> > cost gonna be around 65 MiB, doesn't seem much to me considering these
> > VMs have memory in TiB. Since caches in VMs are not unbounded, I think
> > it is fine to not have a MMU shrinker as its impact is miniscule in
> > KVM.
> 
> I have no objection to removing the shrinker entirely.

Let's do that.  In the unlikely scenario someone comes along with a strong use
case for purging the vCPU caches, we can always resurrect this approach.

Vipin, can you send a v3?

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-28 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-04 19:55 [PATCH v2 0/3] KVM: x86/mmu: Repurpose MMU shrinker into page cache shrinker Vipin Sharma
2024-10-04 19:55 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] KVM: x86/mmu: Change KVM mmu shrinker to no-op Vipin Sharma
2024-10-04 19:55 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] KVM: x86/mmu: Use MMU shrinker to shrink KVM MMU memory caches Vipin Sharma
2024-10-04 20:04   ` Vipin Sharma
2024-10-24 23:25   ` Sean Christopherson
2024-10-25 17:36     ` Vipin Sharma
2024-10-28 20:37       ` David Matlack
2024-10-28 20:49         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2024-10-28 22:32           ` Vipin Sharma
2024-10-04 19:55 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] KVM: selftests: Add a test to invoke MMU shrinker on KVM VMs Vipin Sharma
2024-10-04 20:03   ` Vipin Sharma

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