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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: Chris Down <chris@chrisdown.name>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Tony Lindgren <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>,
	kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 10/11] printk: Deprecate the kernel.printk sysctl interface
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:25:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZzYkkTHJFNnvJBh0@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <993d978d4a59dd370ac39c6c24c9b72c11f4dc74.1730133890.git.chris@chrisdown.name>

On Mon 2024-10-28 16:45:59, Chris Down wrote:
> The kernel.printk sysctl interface is deprecated in favour of more
> granular and clearer sysctl interfaces for controlling loglevels, namely
> kernel.console_loglevel and kernel.default_message_loglevel.
> 
> kernel.printk has a number of fairly significant usability problems:
> 
> - It takes four values in a specific order, which is not intuitive.
>   Speaking from personal experience, even people working on printk
>   sometimes need to look up the order of these values, which doesn't
>   suggest much in the way of perspicuity.
> - There is no validation on the input values, so users can set them to
>   invalid or nonsensical values without receiving any errors or
>   warnings. This can lead to unpredictable behaviour.
> - One of the four values, default_console_loglevel, is not used in the
>   kernel (see below), making it redundant and potentially confusing.
> - Overall, the interface is complex, hard to understand, and combines
>   multiple controls into a single sysctl, which is not ideal. It should
>   be separated into distinct controls for clarity.
> 
> Setting kernel.printk now calls printk_sysctl_deprecated, which emits a
> pr_warn. The warning informs users about the deprecation and suggests
> using the new sysctl interfaces instead.
> 
> By deprecating kernel.printk, we aim to:
> 
> - Encourage users to adopt the new, dedicated sysctl interfaces
>   (kernel.console_loglevel and kernel.default_message_loglevel), which
>   are more straightforward and easier to understand.
> - Improve input validation and error handling, ensuring that users
>   receive appropriate feedback when setting invalid values.
> - Simplify the configuration of loglevels by exposing only the controls
>   that are necessary and relevant.
> 
> --- a/kernel/printk/sysctl.c
> +++ b/kernel/printk/sysctl.c
> @@ -7,6 +7,7 @@
>  #include <linux/printk.h>
>  #include <linux/capability.h>
>  #include <linux/ratelimit.h>
> +#include <linux/console.h>
>  #include "internal.h"
>  
>  static const int ten_thousand = 10000;
> @@ -46,13 +47,24 @@ static int printk_console_loglevel(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
>  	return 0;
>  }
>  
> +static int printk_sysctl_deprecated(const struct ctl_table *table, int write,
> +				    void *buffer, size_t *lenp, loff_t *ppos)
> +{
> +	int res = proc_dointvec(table, write, buffer, lenp, ppos);
> +
> +	if (write)
> +		pr_warn_once("printk: The kernel.printk sysctl is deprecated. Consider using kernel.console_loglevel or kernel.default_message_loglevel instead.\n");
> +
> +	return res;
> +}
> +
>  static struct ctl_table printk_sysctls[] = {
>  	{
>  		.procname	= "printk",
>  		.data		= &console_loglevel,
>  		.maxlen		= 4*sizeof(int),
>  		.mode		= 0644,
> -		.proc_handler	= proc_dointvec,
> +		.proc_handler	= printk_sysctl_deprecated,

I would prefer to follow the existing naming scheme for
custom modifications of proc_dointvec() and call it
"proc_dointvec_printk_deprecated".

>  	},
>  	{
>  		.procname	= "printk_ratelimit",

With this cosmetic change:

Reviewed-by: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>

Best Regards,
Petr


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-14 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-28 16:45 [PATCH v6 00/11] printk: console: Per-console loglevels Chris Down
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 01/11] printk: Avoid delaying messages that aren't solicited by any console Chris Down
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 02/11] printk: Use struct console for suppression and extended console state Chris Down
2024-11-08  9:57   ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-15  8:30   ` John Ogness
2024-11-20  4:17     ` Chris Down
2024-11-20 12:03       ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 03/11] printk: console: Implement core per-console loglevel infrastructure Chris Down
2024-11-08 16:10   ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-12 10:25     ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-14 16:51     ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 04/11] printk: Support toggling per-console loglevel via syslog() and cmdline Chris Down
2024-11-12 10:56   ` Conflict with FORCE_CON: " Petr Mladek
2024-11-14 19:28     ` Chris Down
2024-11-15 11:41       ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-12 12:59   ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-14 17:14   ` syslog warning: was: " Petr Mladek
2024-11-14 18:53     ` Chris Down
2024-11-15 11:36       ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 05/11] MAINTAINERS: Mark printk-basics.rst as owned by printk subsystem Chris Down
2024-10-28 23:26   ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-10-28 23:52     ` Chris Down
2024-11-12 13:00   ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 06/11] printk: console: Introduce sysfs interface for per-console loglevels Chris Down
2024-11-13 15:58   ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-13 15:59   ` register_device: was: " Petr Mladek
2024-11-14 18:41     ` Chris Down
2024-11-15  4:08       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-11-18 15:19     ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-15  4:20   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-11-15 14:09     ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-20  5:01     ` Chris Down
2024-11-20  8:43       ` John Ogness
2024-11-20 14:54         ` Petr Mladek
2024-11-20 15:29           ` John Ogness
2024-11-20 14:45       ` Petr Mladek
2025-01-10 10:27   ` Joel Granados
2025-01-15 10:31     ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 07/11] printk: Constrain hardware-addressed console checks to name position Chris Down
2024-10-29  8:26   ` Tony Lindgren
2024-11-13 16:11   ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 08/11] printk: Support setting initial console loglevel via console= on cmdline Chris Down
2024-11-14  9:11   ` Petr Mladek
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 09/11] printk: Add sysctl interface to set global loglevels Chris Down
2024-11-14 16:21   ` Petr Mladek
2025-01-10 10:09     ` Joel Granados
2024-10-28 16:45 ` [PATCH v6 10/11] printk: Deprecate the kernel.printk sysctl interface Chris Down
2024-11-14 16:25   ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2024-10-28 16:46 ` [PATCH v6 11/11] printk: Purge default_console_loglevel Chris Down
2024-11-14 16:38   ` Petr Mladek

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