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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores)
Date: 8 Mar 2002 16:03:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a6bjgl$a0j$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020308231405.CADDC3FE06@smtp.linux.ibm.com> <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203081532550.4421-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

Followup to:  <Pine.LNX.4.33.0203081532550.4421-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
By author:    Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> 
> You don't understand. This has nothing to do with lock holders, or 
> anything else.
> 
> I'm saying that we map in a page at a magic offset (just above the stack), 
> and that page contains the locking code.
> 
> For 386 CPU's (where only UP matters), we can trivially come up with a
> lock that doesn't use cmpxchg8b and that isn't SMP-safe. It might even go
> into the kernel every time if it has to - ie it _works_, it just isn't 
> optimal.
> 

Okay, I'll say it and be impopular...

Perhaps it's time to drop i386 support?

It seems to me that the i386 support has been around mostly on a
"until we have a reason to do otherwise" basis, but perhaps this is
the reason?

There certainly are enough little, nagging reasons... CMPXCHG, BSWAP,
and especially WP...

	-hpa
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-09  0:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-05  7:01 [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores) Rusty Russell
2002-03-05 21:23 ` Futexes III : performance numbers Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06  2:08   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06 14:28     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06 17:23       ` [Lse-tech] " george anzinger
2002-03-07  0:25     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-07  0:35     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06  7:54   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06 14:46     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06 16:13     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-06 20:36       ` Futexes V : Hubertus Franke
2002-03-07  4:21         ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-05 22:39 ` [PATCH] Futexes IV (Fast Lightweight Userspace Semaphores) Davide Libenzi
2002-03-05 23:16   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-05 23:26     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-05 23:37       ` Peter Svensson
2002-03-05 23:50         ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08  0:07       ` Richard Henderson
2002-03-06  1:46   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-06  2:03     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-08 18:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 19:03   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 19:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 20:29       ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 20:48         ` Matthew Kirkwood
2002-03-08 21:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:15           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:36             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 23:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:56               ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-09  2:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 14:14                   ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-09  0:03               ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2002-03-09  1:15                 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 19:41                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 20:49                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-03-13  7:40                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-13 16:37                       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 19:58                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-10 20:40                     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-10 20:28                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-03-10 21:05                         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-12  9:35                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-03-08 20:40       ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 20:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-08 23:43           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 22:55         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:38           ` Alan Cox
2002-03-08 23:44           ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-03-08 20:47       ` george anzinger
2002-03-08 23:02         ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-08 23:47           ` george anzinger
2002-03-09  1:11             ` Alan Cox
2002-03-09  1:20             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-09  4:49       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-11 22:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-11 23:12           ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-12  7:20           ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-12 14:56             ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-13  4:02               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-12 17:17             ` Linus Torvalds
2002-03-13  2:57               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-09  4:51   ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-13  9:12 Martin Wirth
2002-03-13 19:41 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-13 19:52   ` Dave McCracken
2002-03-13 22:17     ` Bill Davidsen
2002-03-13 20:06   ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15  7:31 ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-15  8:41   ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-15 15:29     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-15 16:23     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-16  0:12       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-16 11:23         ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-17  6:50           ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-18  0:52             ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-19  3:28               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-19  4:05                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-20  6:20                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-20 10:42                     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-20 17:20                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-03-19  8:34                 ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-20  6:45                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-21  6:48                     ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-24 18:25                       ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-25  2:28                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25  4:46                           ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25 11:56                             ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-26  1:02                               ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-26  8:17                                 ` Martin Wirth
2002-03-26 23:10                                   ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-27 21:05                                     ` Hubertus Franke
2002-03-27 23:53                                       ` Rusty Russell
2002-03-25  9:47                           ` Peter Wächtler
2002-03-16 19:48         ` Peter Wächtler

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