From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: "Stephen Röttger" <sroettger@google.com>,
"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: PKU usage improvements for threads
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 07:36:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a96082e1-96ad-e92b-a5d0-d239123d943e@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEAAPHYTUYdtBLn4RsmNXMeaT8OvQ_k+Vy4uYdy_aSnaW79fcQ@mail.gmail.com>
On 8/25/22 05:30, Stephen Röttger wrote:
>>> We were also thinking about if this should be a more generic feature instead of
>>> being tied to pkeys. I.e. the doc above has an alternative proposal to introduce
>>> something like a memory seal/unseal syscall.
>>> I was personally leaning towards using pkeys for this for a few reasons:
>>> * intuitively it would make sense to me to extend PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS
>>> to also mean disable all changes to the memory, not just the data.
>> It would make some sense, but we can't do it with the existing
>> PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS ABI. It would surely break existing users if they
>> couldn't munmap() memory that was PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS.
> Our thought was that this could be opt-in with a prctl().
So, today, you have this:
foo = malloc(PAGE_SIZE);
pkey_mprotect(foo, PAGE_SIZE, READ|WRITE, pkey=1);
munmap(foo); // <-- works fine
mmap(hint=foo, ...); // now attacker controls &foo
Which is problematic. What you want instead is something like this:
prctl(PR_ARCH_NO_MUNMAP_ON_PKEY); // or whatever
foo = malloc(PAGE_SIZE);
pkey_mprotect(foo, PAGE_SIZE, READ|WRITE, pkey=1);
wrpkru(PKEY_DISABLE_ACCESS<<pkey*2);
munmap(foo); // returns -EPERM (or whatever)
Which requires the kernel to check when it's modifying a VMA (like the
munmap() above) to see if PKRU _currently_ permits access to the VMA's
contents. If not, the kernel should refuse to modify the VMA.
Like I said, I don't think this is _insane_, but I can see it breaking
perfectly innocent things. For instance, an app that today does a
free() if pkey-assigned memory might work perfectly fine for a long time
since that memory is rarely unmapped. But, the minute that malloc()
decides it needs to zap the memory, *malloc()* will fail.
I also wonder how far these semantics would go. Would madvise() work on
these access-denied VMAs?
My gut says that we don't want to mix up pkey semantics with this new
mechanism.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-08-25 14:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-08-22 20:40 PKU usage improvements for threads Kees Cook
2022-08-22 21:11 ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-23 11:08 ` Stephen Röttger
2022-08-23 18:12 ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-23 18:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-24 8:51 ` Stephen Röttger
2022-08-24 16:28 ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-24 16:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-25 12:30 ` Stephen Röttger
2022-08-25 14:36 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2022-09-02 17:18 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-09-03 0:16 ` Fangfei Yang
2022-09-03 0:14 ` Fangfei Yang
2022-09-06 4:34 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-09-06 5:58 ` Fangfei Yang
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