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From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9hjd0$16s$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AAEGIMDAKGCBHLBAACGBEEONCEAA.balbir.singh@wipro.com> <1018952961.31914.446.camel@swordfish> <20020416100148.GA17560@venus.local.navi.pl>

In article <20020416100148.GA17560@venus.local.navi.pl>,
Olaf Fraczyk  <olaf@navi.pl> wrote:
>On 2002.04.16 12:29 Liam Girdwood wrote:
>> 
>> I remember reading that a higher HZ value will make your machine more
>> responsive, but will also mean that each running process will have a
>> smaller CPU time slice and that the kernel will spend more CPU time
>> scheduling at the expense of processes.
>> 
>Has anyone measured this?
>This shouldn't be a big problem, because some architectures use value 
>1024, eg. Alpha, ia-64.

On the ia-64, they do indeed use a HZ value of 1000 by default.

And I've had some Intel people grumble about it, because it apparently
means that the timer tick takes anything from 2% to an extreme of 10%
(!!) of the CPU time under certain loads.

Apparently the 10% is due to cache/tlb intensive loads, and as a result
the interrupt handler just missing in the caches a lot, but still:
that's exactly the kind of load that you want to buy an ia64 for. 

There's no point in saying that "the timer interrupt takes only 0.5% of
an idle CPU", if it takes a much larger chunk out of a busy one. 

So the argument that a kHz timer takes a noticeable amount of CPU power
seems to be still true today - even with the "architecture of tomorrow". 

Yeah, I wouldn't have believed it myself, but there it is..  You only
get the gigaHz speeds if you hit in the cache - when you miss, you start
crawling (everything is relative, of course: the crawl of today is a
rather rapid one by 6502 standards ;)

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-16 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-16  7:47 Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16  8:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-04-16  8:18   ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-04-16 10:29     ` Liam Girdwood
2002-04-16 10:01       ` Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 13:35         ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 13:38           ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:55             ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 15:32             ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-16 16:12               ` Chris Friesen
2002-04-16 17:12               ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:58           ` Alan Cox
2002-04-17  0:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-04-16 16:27         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-04-16 16:50           ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 17:18             ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-16 17:52               ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 18:10                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  0:49               ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17  0:57                 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17  1:07                   ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  5:18                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-17  5:34                     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-17  6:01                       ` Robert Love
2002-04-17  6:17                         ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17  7:59                         ` arjan
2002-04-17  8:04                         ` Matti Aarnio
2002-04-23 22:42                           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-17 10:12                       ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-18  1:51                   ` Dan Mann
2002-04-17  1:22                 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17  3:19                 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-17  7:55                 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-21 18:00                 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-22 17:20                   ` John Alvord
2002-04-22 21:52                     ` george anzinger
2002-04-22 23:06                       ` J.D. Bakker
2002-04-22 23:26                       ` Anton Blanchard
2002-04-23 19:03                         ` george anzinger
2002-04-23  7:08                       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-22 17:24                   ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 12:42     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 12:31   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 14:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-16 21:34 ` bert hubert
2002-04-16 22:21   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-16 22:37     ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-16 22:56       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-17  0:34         ` J. Dow
2002-04-17  2:40         ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-17 12:44       ` Kent Borg
2002-04-17  8:28     ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was " bert hubert
2002-04-17 11:05       ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches Tim Schmielau
2002-04-17 11:12         ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 12:33           ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 12:42             ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 14:57               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 11:09       ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Wakko Warner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-16 10:41 Cabaniols, Sebastien
2002-04-17  0:33 Chen, Kenneth W
2002-04-17  1:02 ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found] <3CC4861C.F21859A6@mvista.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <E16zuPf-0007yD-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-23  7:17   ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-23 19:09     ` george anzinger
2002-04-24  1:42       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-24 20:20         ` george anzinger
2002-04-27 20:26           ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28  6:02             ` george anzinger
2002-04-28  9:12               ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 17:34                 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 18:59                   ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 21:50                     ` george anzinger
2002-04-29  0:14                       ` Alan Cox
2002-04-23 19:24     ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 19:35       ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-24 17:25         ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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