From: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ?
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:27:12 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a9hjd0$16s$1@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AAEGIMDAKGCBHLBAACGBEEONCEAA.balbir.singh@wipro.com> <1018952961.31914.446.camel@swordfish> <20020416100148.GA17560@venus.local.navi.pl>
In article <20020416100148.GA17560@venus.local.navi.pl>,
Olaf Fraczyk <olaf@navi.pl> wrote:
>On 2002.04.16 12:29 Liam Girdwood wrote:
>>
>> I remember reading that a higher HZ value will make your machine more
>> responsive, but will also mean that each running process will have a
>> smaller CPU time slice and that the kernel will spend more CPU time
>> scheduling at the expense of processes.
>>
>Has anyone measured this?
>This shouldn't be a big problem, because some architectures use value
>1024, eg. Alpha, ia-64.
On the ia-64, they do indeed use a HZ value of 1000 by default.
And I've had some Intel people grumble about it, because it apparently
means that the timer tick takes anything from 2% to an extreme of 10%
(!!) of the CPU time under certain loads.
Apparently the 10% is due to cache/tlb intensive loads, and as a result
the interrupt handler just missing in the caches a lot, but still:
that's exactly the kind of load that you want to buy an ia64 for.
There's no point in saying that "the timer interrupt takes only 0.5% of
an idle CPU", if it takes a much larger chunk out of a busy one.
So the argument that a kHz timer takes a noticeable amount of CPU power
seems to be still true today - even with the "architecture of tomorrow".
Yeah, I wouldn't have believed it myself, but there it is.. You only
get the gigaHz speeds if you hit in the cache - when you miss, you start
crawling (everything is relative, of course: the crawl of today is a
rather rapid one by 6502 standards ;)
Linus
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Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-04-16 7:47 Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 8:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-04-16 8:18 ` BALBIR SINGH
2002-04-16 10:29 ` Liam Girdwood
2002-04-16 10:01 ` Olaf Fraczyk
2002-04-16 13:35 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 13:38 ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:55 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-04-16 15:32 ` Rik van Riel
2002-04-16 16:12 ` Chris Friesen
2002-04-16 17:12 ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-16 13:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-17 0:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-04-16 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2002-04-16 16:50 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 17:18 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-16 17:52 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 18:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17 0:49 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17 0:57 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17 1:07 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17 5:18 ` Mark Mielke
2002-04-17 5:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-04-17 6:01 ` Robert Love
2002-04-17 6:17 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-17 7:59 ` arjan
2002-04-17 8:04 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-04-23 22:42 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2002-04-17 10:12 ` Martin Dalecki
2002-04-18 1:51 ` Dan Mann
2002-04-17 1:22 ` Davide Libenzi
2002-04-17 3:19 ` Ben Greear
2002-04-17 7:55 ` Helge Hafting
2002-04-21 18:00 ` Pavel Machek
2002-04-22 17:20 ` John Alvord
2002-04-22 21:52 ` george anzinger
2002-04-22 23:06 ` J.D. Bakker
2002-04-22 23:26 ` Anton Blanchard
2002-04-23 19:03 ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 7:08 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-22 17:24 ` David Mosberger
2002-04-16 12:42 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 12:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-04-16 14:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-16 21:34 ` bert hubert
2002-04-16 22:21 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-16 22:37 ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-16 22:56 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-04-17 0:34 ` J. Dow
2002-04-17 2:40 ` Herbert Xu
2002-04-17 12:44 ` Kent Borg
2002-04-17 8:28 ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was " bert hubert
2002-04-17 11:05 ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches Tim Schmielau
2002-04-17 11:12 ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 12:33 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 12:42 ` bert hubert
2002-04-17 14:57 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-04-17 11:09 ` please merge 64-bit jiffy patches. Was Re: Why HZ on i386 is 100 ? Wakko Warner
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2002-04-16 10:41 Cabaniols, Sebastien
2002-04-17 0:33 Chen, Kenneth W
2002-04-17 1:02 ` Davide Libenzi
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[not found] ` <E16zuPf-0007yD-00@the-village.bc.nu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2002-04-23 7:17 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-23 19:09 ` george anzinger
2002-04-24 1:42 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-24 20:20 ` george anzinger
2002-04-27 20:26 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 6:02 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 9:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 17:34 ` george anzinger
2002-04-28 18:59 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-28 21:50 ` george anzinger
2002-04-29 0:14 ` Alan Cox
2002-04-23 19:24 ` george anzinger
2002-04-23 19:35 ` Andi Kleen
2002-04-24 17:25 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
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