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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, freedreno@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	Connor Abbott <cwabbott0@gmail.com>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@chromium.org>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	David Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/40] drm/gpuvm: Allow VAs to hold soft reference to BOs
Date: Tue, 20 May 2025 18:22:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aCysKgGyq5eOXW87@cassiopeiae> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF6AEGs6_ZgBpKwe7weZWUppCZ87Y6wOt9RsF68hsJO-VpeiJA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 08:54:53AM -0700, Rob Clark wrote:
> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 12:40 AM Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 19, 2025 at 10:51:25AM -0700, Rob Clark wrote:
> > It invalidates the whole design and makes a lot of functions fundamentally
> > invalid to call, which is well demonstrated by all the WARN_ON() calls this
> > patch attempts to add.
> 
> I think of it more as adding a different mode of operation.  One
> where, perhaps some functions of gpuvm are not available, but that is
> fine because they are also unneeded in that mode of operation.  Hence
> the WARN_ON()s to make that clear.

This isn't a different mode of operation. You're breaking the design and
internal guarantees and validity the code relies on. And as a consequence you
have to disable the functions that are obviously broken by scattering it with
WARN_ON() calls.

And for the remaining code that is not disabled we'd have entirely new
requirements on the guarantees the caller must provide in terms of reference
counts.

This is as if I'd try to promote a car with a broken engine control unit and
would tell you "It's just in a different mode of operation, where driving isn't
supported, but you can still heat the cabin and power the radio with the
engine.", hoping that the broken engine control unit has no other side effects.

Sorry, as much as I'd like to help and unblock you, I don't buy it.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-20 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-19 17:51 [PATCH v5 00/40] drm/msm: sparse / "VM_BIND" support Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 01/40] drm/gpuvm: Don't require obj lock in destructor path Rob Clark
2025-05-20  7:23   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-20 14:57     ` Rob Clark
2025-05-20 15:21       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-20 15:45         ` Rob Clark
2025-05-20 15:49           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 02/40] drm/gpuvm: Allow VAs to hold soft reference to BOs Rob Clark
2025-05-20  7:40   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-20 15:54     ` Rob Clark
2025-05-20 16:22       ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 03/40] drm/gem: Add ww_acquire_ctx support to drm_gem_lru_scan() Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 04/40] drm/sched: Add enqueue credit limit Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 05/40] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Add quirk to quiet WARN_ON() Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 06/40] drm/msm: Rename msm_file_private -> msm_context Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 07/40] drm/msm: Improve msm_context comments Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 08/40] drm/msm: Rename msm_gem_address_space -> msm_gem_vm Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 09/40] drm/msm: Remove vram carveout support Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 10/40] drm/msm: Collapse vma allocation and initialization Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 11/40] drm/msm: Collapse vma close and delete Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:51 ` [PATCH v5 12/40] drm/msm: Don't close VMAs on purge Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57 ` [PATCH v5 13/40] drm/msm: drm_gpuvm conversion Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 14/40] drm/msm: Convert vm locking Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 15/40] drm/msm: Use drm_gpuvm types more Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 16/40] drm/msm: Split out helper to get iommu prot flags Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 17/40] drm/msm: Add mmu support for non-zero offset Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 18/40] drm/msm: Add PRR support Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 19/40] drm/msm: Rename msm_gem_vma_purge() -> _unmap() Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 20/40] drm/msm: Drop queued submits on lastclose() Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 21/40] drm/msm: Lazily create context VM Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 22/40] drm/msm: Add opt-in for VM_BIND Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 23/40] drm/msm: Mark VM as unusable on GPU hangs Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 24/40] drm/msm: Add _NO_SHARE flag Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 25/40] drm/msm: Crashdump prep for sparse mappings Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 26/40] drm/msm: rd dumping " Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 27/40] drm/msm: Crashdec support for sparse Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 28/40] drm/msm: rd dumping " Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 29/40] drm/msm: Extract out syncobj helpers Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 30/40] drm/msm: Use DMA_RESV_USAGE_BOOKKEEP/KERNEL Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 31/40] drm/msm: Add VM_BIND submitqueue Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 32/40] drm/msm: Support IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_NO_WARN_ON Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 33/40] drm/msm: Support pgtable preallocation Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 34/40] drm/msm: Split out map/unmap ops Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 35/40] drm/msm: Add VM_BIND ioctl Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 36/40] drm/msm: Add VM logging for VM_BIND updates Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 37/40] drm/msm: Add VMA unmap reason Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 38/40] drm/msm: Add mmu prealloc tracepoint Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 39/40] drm/msm: use trylock for debugfs Rob Clark
2025-05-19 17:57   ` [PATCH v5 40/40] drm/msm: Bump UAPI version Rob Clark
2025-05-19 21:15 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] [PATCH v5 00/40] drm/msm: sparse / "VM_BIND" support Dave Airlie
2025-05-19 21:24   ` Rob Clark
2025-05-19 21:45     ` Dave Airlie
2025-05-19 21:51       ` Rob Clark
2025-05-19 22:23         ` Connor Abbott
2025-05-20 15:41 ` Will Deacon

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