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From: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
To: Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, freedreno@lists.freedesktop.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org,
	Connor Abbott <cwabbott0@gmail.com>,
	Rob Clark <robdclark@chromium.org>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 01/40] drm/gpuvm: Don't require obj lock in destructor path
Date: Fri, 23 May 2025 08:28:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aDAVo-dle3wgFiJb@pollux> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF6AEGuK+X4Q=Z-anjQuUBi952eYSs3u9HxVz0GSQM8fokdiiw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 07:51:50PM -0700, Rob Clark wrote:
> So if you _really_ don't like the WEAK_REF flag, I have a workable alternative
> that addresses the performance problems.

The mode you want to introduce is broken, and I don't understand why you don't
want to accept that.

  1. It obviously breaks some features, which is why you have to add lots of
     WARN_ON() calls to the corresponding code paths, such that drivers won't
     call into them any more.
  2. It requires conditionals based on kref_read(), which is oviously racy, and
     can cause UAF bugs.
  3. I'm sure, if we look closely, we'll find more subtle bugs, because GPUVM
     was designed with a clear ownership and lifetime model, that this mode
     undermines entirely.

The only reason why your MSM implementation does not run into trouble is because
it upholds certain contitions such that the racy kref_read() code does not cause
issues.

So, we would need to document all those extra requirements that drivers would
need to uphold using this mode, which eliminates more perfectly normal use
cases, that people expect to just work, one example for that would be to have
the same GEM object in multiple VMs.

This would be a huge mess and a mode full of footguns for drivers, and hence a
NACK from my side.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-23  6:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-14 17:53 [PATCH v4 00/40] drm/msm: sparse / "VM_BIND" support Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 01/40] drm/gpuvm: Don't require obj lock in destructor path Rob Clark
2025-05-15  8:54   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-15  9:06     ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-15 17:35       ` Rob Clark
2025-05-15 17:55         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-15 21:57           ` Rob Clark
2025-05-16  9:01             ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-16 16:20               ` Rob Clark
2025-05-20 21:25                 ` Dave Airlie
2025-05-20 21:52                   ` Rob Clark
2025-05-20 22:31                     ` Dave Airlie
2025-05-20 22:56                       ` Rob Clark
2025-05-23  2:51                       ` Rob Clark
2025-05-23  6:28                         ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 02/40] drm/gpuvm: Allow VAs to hold soft reference to BOs Rob Clark
2025-05-15  9:00   ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-15 14:59     ` Rob Clark
2025-05-15 15:30       ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-15 17:34         ` Rob Clark
2025-05-15 17:51           ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-05-15 20:10             ` Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 03/40] drm/gem: Add ww_acquire_ctx support to drm_gem_lru_scan() Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 04/40] drm/sched: Add enqueue credit limit Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 05/40] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Add quirk to quiet WARN_ON() Rob Clark
2025-05-15 14:33   ` Will Deacon
2025-05-15 14:48     ` Rob Clark
2025-05-20 11:31       ` Will Deacon
2025-05-20 13:06         ` Robin Murphy
2025-05-20 14:06           ` Will Deacon
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 06/40] drm/msm: Rename msm_file_private -> msm_context Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 07/40] drm/msm: Improve msm_context comments Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 08/40] drm/msm: Rename msm_gem_address_space -> msm_gem_vm Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 09/40] drm/msm: Remove vram carveout support Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 10/40] drm/msm: Collapse vma allocation and initialization Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 11/40] drm/msm: Collapse vma close and delete Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 12/40] drm/msm: Don't close VMAs on purge Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 13/40] drm/msm: drm_gpuvm conversion Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 14/40] drm/msm: Convert vm locking Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 15/40] drm/msm: Use drm_gpuvm types more Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 16/40] drm/msm: Split out helper to get iommu prot flags Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 17/40] drm/msm: Add mmu support for non-zero offset Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 18/40] drm/msm: Add PRR support Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 19/40] drm/msm: Rename msm_gem_vma_purge() -> _unmap() Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 20/40] drm/msm: Drop queued submits on lastclose() Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 21/40] drm/msm: Lazily create context VM Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 22/40] drm/msm: Add opt-in for VM_BIND Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 23/40] drm/msm: Mark VM as unusable on GPU hangs Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 24/40] drm/msm: Add _NO_SHARE flag Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 25/40] drm/msm: Crashdump prep for sparse mappings Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 26/40] drm/msm: rd dumping " Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 27/40] drm/msm: Crashdec support for sparse Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 28/40] drm/msm: rd dumping " Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 29/40] drm/msm: Extract out syncobj helpers Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 30/40] drm/msm: Use DMA_RESV_USAGE_BOOKKEEP/KERNEL Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 31/40] drm/msm: Add VM_BIND submitqueue Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 32/40] drm/msm: Support IO_PGTABLE_QUIRK_NO_WARN_ON Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 33/40] drm/msm: Support pgtable preallocation Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 34/40] drm/msm: Split out map/unmap ops Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 35/40] drm/msm: Add VM_BIND ioctl Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 36/40] drm/msm: Add VM logging for VM_BIND updates Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 37/40] drm/msm: Add VMA unmap reason Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 38/40] drm/msm: Add mmu prealloc tracepoint Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 39/40] drm/msm: use trylock for debugfs Rob Clark
2025-05-14 17:53 ` [PATCH v4 40/40] drm/msm: Bump UAPI version Rob Clark
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-05-14 16:58 [PATCH v4 00/40] drm/msm: sparse / "VM_BIND" support Rob Clark
2025-05-14 16:59 ` [PATCH v4 01/40] drm/gpuvm: Don't require obj lock in destructor path Rob Clark

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