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From: Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com>
To: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
Cc: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Fenghua Yu <fenghuay@nvidia.com>,
	Maciej Wieczor-Retman <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
	Peter Newman <peternewman@google.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Babu Moger <babu.moger@amd.com>,
	Drew Fustini <dfustini@baylibre.com>,
	Anil Keshavamurthy <anil.s.keshavamurthy@intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	patches@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 14/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Support binary fixed point event counters
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2025 16:16:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEhMWBemtev/f3yf@e133380.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d4c739b-3fe2-43e2-9771-6137f15b42f1@intel.com>

On Fri, Jun 06, 2025 at 09:56:25AM -0700, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> Hi Tony,
> 
> On 6/6/25 9:25 AM, Luck, Tony wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 03, 2025 at 08:49:08PM -0700, Reinette Chatre wrote:
> >>> +	sprintf(buf, "%0*llu", fp->decplaces, frac);
> >>
> >> I'm a bit confused here. I see fp->decplaces as the field width and the "0" indicates
> >> that the value is zero padded on the _left_. I interpret this to mean that, for example,
> >> if the value of frac is 42 then it will be printed as "0042". The fraction's value is modified
> >> (it is printed as "0.0042") and there are no trailing zeroes to remove. What am I missing?
> > 
> > An example may help. Suppose architecture is providing 18 binary place
> > numbers, and delivers the value 0x60000 to be displayed. With 18 binary
> > places filesystem chooses 6 decimal places (I'll document the rationale
> > for this choice in comments in next version). In binary the value looks
> > like this:
> > 
> > 	integer	binary_places
> > 	1	100000000000000000
> > 
> > Running through my algorithm will end with "frac" = 500000 (decimal).
> > 
> > Thus there are *trailing* zeroes. The value should be displayed as
> > "1.5" not as "1.500000".
> 
> Instead of a counter example, could you please make it obvious through
> the algorithm description and/or explanation of decimal place choice how
> "frac" is guaranteed to never be smaller than "decplaces"?
> 
> Reinette

Trying to circumvent this...

Why do these conversions need to be done in the kernel at all?

Can't we just tell userspace the scaling factor and expose the
parameter as an integer?

In your example, this above value would be exposed as

	0b110_0000_0000_0000_0000 / 0b100_0000_0000_0000_0000

(=	0x60000 / 0x40000)

This has the advantage that the data exchanged with userspace is exact,
(so far as the hardware permits, anyway) and there is no unnecessary
cost or complexity in the kernel.

Since userspace is probably some kind of scripting language, it can do
scaling conversions and pretty-print tables more straightforwardly
than the kernel can -- if it wants to.  But it can also work in the
native representation with no introduction of rounding errors, and do
conversions only when necessary rather than every time a value crosses
the user/kernel boundary...

Cheers
---Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-10 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-21 22:50 [PATCH v5 00/29] x86/resctrl telemetry monitoring Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 01/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Consolidate monitor event descriptions Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:25   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-04 16:33     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04 18:24       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 02/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Replace architecture event enabled checks Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:26   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 03/29] x86/resctrl: Remove 'rdt_mon_features' global variable Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:27   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 04/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Prepare for more monitor events Tony Luck
2025-05-23  9:00   ` Peter Newman
2025-05-23 15:57     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04  3:29   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:45   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 21:59     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 05/29] x86/rectrl: Fake OOBMSM interface Tony Luck
2025-05-23 23:38   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-27 20:25     ` [PATCH v5 05/29 UPDATED] x86/resctrl: " Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 06/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Improve domain type checking Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:31   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-04 22:58     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04 23:40       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 07/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Rename some L3 specific functions Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 08/29] x86/resctrl: Move L3 initialization out of domain_add_cpu_mon() Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 09/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Refactor domain_remove_cpu_mon() ready for new domain types Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:32   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 10/29] x86/resctrl: Change generic domain functions to use struct rdt_domain_hdr Tony Luck
2025-05-22  0:01   ` Keshavamurthy, Anil S
2025-05-22  0:15     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-04  3:37   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:52   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 22:02     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 11/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Rename struct rdt_mon_domain and rdt_hw_mon_domain Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:40   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 12/29] fs/resctrl: Make event details accessible to functions when reading events Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 13/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Handle events that can be read from any CPU Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:42   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 14/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Support binary fixed point event counters Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:49   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06 16:25     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-06 16:56       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-10 15:16         ` Dave Martin [this message]
2025-06-10 15:54           ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-12 16:19             ` Dave Martin
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 15/29] fs/resctrl: Add an architectural hook called for each mount Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:49   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 16/29] x86/resctrl: Add and initialize rdt_resource for package scope core monitor Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 17/29] x86/resctrl: Discover hardware telemetry events Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:53   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 18/29] x86/resctrl: Count valid telemetry aggregators per package Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:54   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 19/29] x86/resctrl: Complete telemetry event enumeration Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:05   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 20/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Fill in details of Clearwater Forest events Tony Luck
2025-06-04  3:57   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:57   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 22:05     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 21/29] x86/resctrl: x86/resctrl: Read core telemetry events Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:02   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 22/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Handle domain creation/deletion for RDT_RESOURCE_PERF_PKG Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:06   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-07  0:54   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 22:03     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 23/29] x86/resctrl: Enable RDT_RESOURCE_PERF_PKG Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 24/29] x86/resctrl: Add energy/perf choices to rdt boot option Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:10   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06 23:55   ` Fenghua Yu
2025-06-08 21:52     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 25/29] x86/resctrl: Handle number of RMIDs supported by telemetry resources Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:13   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 26/29] x86,fs/resctrl: Move RMID initialization to first mount Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 27/29] fs/resctrl: Add file system mechanism for architecture info file Tony Luck
2025-06-04  4:15   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06  0:09     ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-06 16:26       ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-06 17:30         ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-06 21:14           ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-09 18:49             ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-09 22:39               ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-09 23:34                 ` Luck, Tony
2025-06-10  0:30                   ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-10 18:48                     ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 28/29] x86/resctrl: Add info/PERF_PKG_MON/status file Tony Luck
2025-05-21 22:50 ` [PATCH v5 29/29] x86/resctrl: Update Documentation for package events Tony Luck
2025-05-28 17:21 ` [PATCH v5 00/29] x86/resctrl telemetry monitoring Reinette Chatre
2025-05-28 21:38   ` Luck, Tony
2025-05-28 22:21     ` Reinette Chatre
2025-06-13 16:57 ` James Morse
2025-06-13 18:50   ` Luck, Tony

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