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From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	workflows@vger.kernel.org, tools@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/19] Kernel API Specification Framework
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 20:22:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFNYQkbEctT6N0Hb@lappy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202506181428.3D086D2@keescook>

On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 02:29:37PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
>On Sat, Jun 14, 2025 at 09:48:39AM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
>> This patch series introduces a framework for formally specifying kernel
>> APIs, addressing the long-standing challenge of maintaining stable
>> interfaces between the kernel and user-space programs. As outlined in
>> previous discussions about kernel ABI stability, the lack of
>> machine-readable API specifications has led to inadvertent breakages and
>> inconsistent validation across system calls and IOCTLs.
>
>I'd much prefer this be more attached to the code in question, otherwise
>we've go two things to update when changes happen. (Well, 3, since
>kern-doc already needs updating too.)
>
>Can't we collect error codes programmatically through control flow
>analysis? Argument mapping is already present in the SYSCALL macros,

I'm not sure what you meant with in the control flow analysis part: we
have code to verify that the return value from the macro matches one of
the ones defined in the spec.

>etc. Let's not repeat this info.

I tried to come up with a way to get rid of the SYSCALL_DEFINEx() macro
right after the spec. I agree that it's duplication, but my macro-foo is
too weak to get rid of that SYSCALL_DEFINE() call.

Suggestions more than welcome here: I suspect that this might require a
bigger change in the code, but I'm still trying to figure it out.

-- 
Thanks,
Sasha

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-19  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-14 13:48 [RFC 00/19] Kernel API Specification Framework Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 01/19] kernel/api: introduce kernel API specification framework Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 02/19] eventpoll: add API specification for epoll_create1 Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 03/19] eventpoll: add API specification for epoll_create Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 04/19] eventpoll: add API specification for epoll_ctl Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 05/19] eventpoll: add API specification for epoll_wait Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 06/19] eventpoll: add API specification for epoll_pwait Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 07/19] eventpoll: add API specification for epoll_pwait2 Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 08/19] exec: add API specification for execve Sasha Levin
2025-06-16 21:39   ` Florian Weimer
2025-06-17  1:51     ` Sasha Levin
2025-06-17  7:13       ` Florian Weimer
2025-06-17 22:58         ` Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 09/19] exec: add API specification for execveat Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 10/19] mm/mlock: add API specification for mlock Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 11/19] mm/mlock: add API specification for mlock2 Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 12/19] mm/mlock: add API specification for mlockall Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 13/19] mm/mlock: add API specification for munlock Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 14/19] mm/mlock: add API specification for munlockall Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 15/19] kernel/api: add debugfs interface for kernel API specifications Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 16/19] kernel/api: add IOCTL specification infrastructure Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 17/19] fwctl: add detailed IOCTL API specifications Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 18/19] binder: " Sasha Levin
2025-06-14 13:48 ` [RFC 19/19] tools/kapi: Add kernel API specification extraction tool Sasha Levin
2025-06-17 12:08 ` [RFC 00/19] Kernel API Specification Framework David Laight
2025-06-18 21:29 ` Kees Cook
2025-06-19  0:22   ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2025-06-23 13:28     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-24 14:06       ` Cyril Hrubis
2025-06-24 14:30         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-24 15:27           ` Cyril Hrubis
2025-06-24 20:04       ` Sasha Levin
2025-06-25  8:49         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-25  8:52         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-25 15:46           ` Cyril Hrubis
2025-06-25 15:55           ` Sasha Levin
2025-06-26  8:32             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-26  8:37               ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-26 16:23                 ` Sasha Levin
2025-06-27  6:23                   ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-30 14:27                     ` Sasha Levin
2025-07-01  6:11                       ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-25  8:56         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2025-06-25 16:23           ` Sasha Levin

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