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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Benno Lossin <lossin@kernel.org>
Cc: "Onur Özkan" <work@onurozkan.dev>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	ojeda@kernel.org, alex.gaynor@gmail.com, gary@garyguo.net,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] implement ww_mutex abstraction for the Rust tree
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 10:11:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aFmKsE_nJkaVMv0T@tardis.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DAU0ELV91E2Q.35FZOII18W44J@kernel.org>

On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 05:14:37PM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> On Mon Jun 23, 2025 at 4:47 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 03:44:58PM +0200, Benno Lossin wrote:
> >> I didn't have a concrete API in mind, but after having read the
> >> abstractions more, would this make sense?
> >> 
> >>     let ctx: &WwAcquireCtx = ...;
> >>     let m1: &WwMutex<T> = ...;
> >>     let m2: &WwMutex<Foo> = ...;
> >> 
> >>     let (t, foo, foo2) = ctx
> >>         .begin()
> >>         .lock(m1)
> >>         .lock(m2)
> >>         .lock_with(|(t, foo)| &*foo.other)
> >>         .finish();
> >> 
> >
> > Cute!
> >
> > However, each `.lock()` will need to be polymorphic over a tuple of
> > locks that are already held, right? Otherwise I don't see how
> > `.lock_with()` knows it's already held two locks. That sounds like a
> > challenge for implementation.
> 
> I think it's doable if we have 
> 
>     impl WwActiveCtx {

I think you mean *WwAcquireCtx*

>         fn begin(&self) -> WwActiveCtx<'_, ()>;
>     }
> 
>     struct WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks> {
>         locks: Locks,

This probably need to to be Result<Locks>, because we may detect
-DEADLOCK in the middle.

    let (a, c, d) = ctx.begin()
        .lock(a)
        .lock(b) // <- `b` may be locked by someone else. So we should
                 // drop `a` and switch `locks` to an `Err(_)`.
        .lock(c) // <- this should be a no-op if `locks` is an `Err(_)`.
        .finish();

>         _ctx: PhantomData<&'a WwAcquireCtx>,

We can still take a reference to WwAcquireCtx here I think.

>     }
> 
>     impl<'a, Locks> WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks>
>     where
>         Locks: Tuple
>     {
>         fn lock<'b, T>(
>             self,
>             lock: &'b WwMutex<T>,
>         ) -> WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks::Append<WwMutexGuard<'b, T>>>;
> 
>         fn lock_with<'b, T>(
>             self,
>             get_lock: impl FnOnce(&Locks) -> &'b WwMutex<T>,
>         ) -> WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks::Append<WwMutexGuard<'b, T>>>;
>         // I'm not 100% sure that the lifetimes will work out...

I think we can make the following work?

    impl<'a, Locks> WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks>
    where
        Locks: Tuple
    {
        fn lock_with<T>(
	    self,
	    get_lock: impl FnOnce(&Locks) -> &WmMutex<T>,
	) -> WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks::Append<WmMutexGuard<'a, T>>
    }

because with a `WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks>`, we can get a `&'a Locks`, which
will give us a `&'a WmMutex<T>`, and should be able to give us a
`WmMutexGuard<'a, T>`.

> 
>         fn finish(self) -> Locks;
>     }
> 
>     trait Tuple {
>         type Append<T>;
> 
>         fn append<T>(self, value: T) -> Self::Append<T>;
>     }
> 

`Tuple` is good enough for its own, if you could remember, we have some
ideas about using things like this to consolidate multiple `RcuOld` so
that we can do one `synchronize_rcu()` for `RcuOld`s.

>     impl Tuple for () {
>         type Append<T> = (T,);
> 
>         fn append<T>(self, value: T) -> Self::Append<T> {
>             (value,)
>         }
>     }
>     
>     impl<T1> Tuple for (T1,) {
>         type Append<T> = (T1, T);
> 
>         fn append<T>(self, value: T) -> Self::Append<T> {
>             (self.0, value,)
>         }
>     }
> 
>     impl<T1, T2> Tuple for (T1, T2) {
>         type Append<T> = (T1, T2, T);
> 
>         fn append<T>(self, value: T) -> Self::Append<T> {
>             (self.0, self.1, value,)
>         }
>     }
> 
>     /* these can easily be generated by a macro */
> 
> > We also need to take into consideration that the user want to drop any
> > lock in the sequence? E.g. the user acquires a, b and c, and then drop
> > b, and then acquires d. Which I think is possible for ww_mutex.
> 
> Hmm what about adding this to the above idea?:
> 
>     impl<'a, Locks> WwActiveCtx<'a, Locks>
>     where
>         Locks: Tuple
>     {
>         fn custom<L2>(self, action: impl FnOnce(Locks) -> L2) -> WwActiveCtx<'a, L2>;
>     }
> 
> Then you can do:
> 
>     let (a, c, d) = ctx.begin()
>         .lock(a)
>         .lock(b)
>         .lock(c)
>         .custom(|(a, _, c)| (a, c))
>         .lock(d)
>         .finish();
> 

Seems reasonable. But we still need to present this to the end user to
see how much they like it. For ww_mutex I think the major user is DRM,
so add them into Cc list.

Regards,
Boqun

> >>     let _: &mut T = t;
> >>     let _: &mut Foo = foo;
> >>     let _: &mut Foo = foo2;
> 
> Ah these will actually be `WwMutexGuard<'_, ...>`, but that should be
> expected.
> 
> ---
> Cheers,
> Benno

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-23 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-21 18:44 [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] rust: add C wrappers for `ww_mutex` inline functions Onur Özkan
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] implement ww_mutex abstraction for the Rust tree Onur Özkan
2025-06-22  9:18   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 13:04     ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 13:44       ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 14:47         ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 15:14           ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-23 17:11             ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2025-06-23 23:22               ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24  5:34                 ` Onur
2025-06-24  8:20                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-24 12:31                     ` Onur
2025-06-24 12:48                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:39             ` Onur
2025-07-07 15:31               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 18:06                 ` Onur
2025-07-07 19:48                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 14:21                     ` Onur
2025-08-01 21:22                     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 10:42                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-02 13:41                         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-02 14:15                         ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-02 20:58                           ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 15:18                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05  9:08                           ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-05 12:41                             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-05 13:50                               ` Onur Özkan
2025-06-23 11:51   ` Alice Ryhl
2025-06-23 13:26   ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-23 18:17     ` Onur
2025-06-23 21:54       ` Boqun Feng
2025-06-21 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] add KUnit coverage on Rust `ww_mutex` implementation Onur Özkan
2025-06-22  9:16 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] rust: add `ww_mutex` support Benno Lossin
2025-07-24 13:53 ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-29 17:15   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-30 10:24     ` Onur Özkan
2025-07-30 10:55       ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 16:22   ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-05 17:56     ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-06  5:57     ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-06 17:37       ` Lyude Paul
2025-08-06 19:30         ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-14 11:13           ` Onur Özkan
2025-08-14 12:38             ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-14 15:56               ` Onur
2025-08-14 18:22                 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-18 12:56                   ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 10:05                     ` Onur Özkan
2025-09-01 12:28                       ` Daniel Almeida
2025-09-02 16:53                   ` Onur
2025-09-03  6:24                     ` Onur
2025-09-03 13:04                       ` Daniel Almeida

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