From: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>, Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Luigi De Matteis <ldematteis123@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/16] sched_ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2025 23:33:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aLi0OOISvMNn7j59@gpd4> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aLin8VayVsYyKXze@slm.duckdns.org>
On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 10:41:21AM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2025 at 10:08:22PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > I'm a bit confused. This series doesn't have prep patches to add @rf to
> > > dl_server_pick_f. Is this the right patch?
> >
> > Patch 14 seems to be the proposed alternative, and I'm not liking that
> > at all.
> >
> > That rf passing was very much also needed for that other issue; I'm not
> > sure why that's gone away.
>
> Using balance() was my suggestion to stay within the current framework. If
> we want to add @rf to pick_task(), that's more fundamental change. We
> dropped the discussion in the other thread but I found it odd to add @rf to
> pick_task() while disallowing the use of @rf in non-dl-server pick path and
> if we want to allow that, we gotta solve the race between pick_task()
> dropping rq lock and the ttwu inserting high pri task.
Yeah, patch 14 is fixing this, but this needs to be changed, because we
dropped the patch that adds @rf to pick_task(). I'll fix this in the next
version if we decide to stick with this way.
About balance() vs @rf, IIUC after pick_task() drops the rq lock a
concurrent ttwu() can already enqueue a higher-priority task, so the race
isn't really specific to @rf and it's more about making sure we don't start
using @rf in ways that rely on the pick being stable until the actual
switch, right?
If that’s correct, extending @rf to pick_task() wouldn't make things worse
than what we have, though sticking with balance() may still be the safer
incremental step...
Thanks,
-Andrea
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-03 21:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-03 9:33 [PATCHSET v8 sched_ext/for-6.18] Add a deadline server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 01/16] sched_ext: Exit early on hotplug events during attach Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 19:44 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 21:40 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 02/16] sched/debug: Fix updating of ppos on server write ops Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 03/16] sched/debug: Stop and start server based on if it was active Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:43 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:02 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 04/16] sched/deadline: Clear the defer params Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:44 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 05/16] sched/deadline: Return EBUSY if dl_bw_cpus is zero Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 14:53 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:10 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 15:15 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 15:24 ` Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 20:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 7:12 ` luca abeni
2025-09-04 7:17 ` Juri Lelli
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 06/16] sched: Add a server arg to dl_server_update_idle_time() Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 07/16] sched_ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 19:54 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 20:41 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-03 20:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 20:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-04 21:43 ` Tejun Heo
2025-09-04 22:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-09-03 21:33 ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 08/16] sched/debug: Add support to change sched_ext server params Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 09/16] sched/deadline: Add support to remove DL server's bandwidth contribution Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 10/16] sched/deadline: Account ext server bandwidth Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 11/16] sched/deadline: Allow to initialize DL server when needed Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 12/16] sched_ext: Selectively enable ext and fair DL servers Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 13/16] sched/deadline: Fix DL server crash in inactive_timer callback Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 14/16] sched/deadline: De-couple balance and pick_task Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 15/16] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for sched_ext dl_server Andrea Righi
2025-09-03 9:33 ` [PATCH 16/16] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for DL server total_bw consistency Andrea Righi
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