From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
Cc: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
acme@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
hpa@zytor.com, john.allen@amd.com, mingo@kernel.org,
mingo@redhat.com, minipli@grsecurity.net, mlevitsk@redhat.com,
namhyung@kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, prsampat@amd.com,
rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, shuah@kernel.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, weijiang.yang@intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
xin@zytor.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v14 15/22] KVM: x86: Don't emulate instructions guarded by CET
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2025 08:11:43 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMQ4L8id7f1fK16J@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMQwH8UZQoU90LBr@google.com>
On Fri, Sep 12, 2025, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2025, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> > On 9/11/2025 6:42 PM, Chao Gao wrote:
> > > (and thus complex). The reason is that no one had a strong opinion on whether
> > > to do the CPL check or not. I asked the same question before [*], but I don't
> > > have a strong opinion on this either.
> >
> > I'm OK with it.
>
> I have a strong opinion. :-)
>
> KVM must NOT check CPL, because inter-privilege level transfers could trigger
> CET emulation and both levels. E.g. a FAR CALL will be affected by both shadow
> stacks and IBT at the target privilege level.
>
> So this need more than just a changelog blurb, it needs a comment. The code
> can also be cleaned up and optimized. Reading CR4 and two MSRs (via indirect
> calls, i.e. potential retpolines) is wasteful for the vast majority of instructions,
> and gathering "stop emulation" into a local variable when a positive test is fatal
> is pointless.
>
> /*
> * Reject emulation if KVM might need to emulate shadow stack updates
> * and/or indirect branch tracking enforcement, which the emulator
> * doesn't support. Deliberately don't check CPL as inter-privilege
> * level transfers can trigger emulation at both privilege levels, and
> * the expectation is that the guest will not require emulation of any
> * CET-affected instructions at any privilege level.
> */
> if (opcode.flags & (ShadowStack | IndirBrnTrk) &&
> ctxt->ops->get_cr(ctxt, 4) & X86_CR4_CET) {
> u64 u_cet, s_cet;
>
> if (ctxt->ops->get_msr(ctxt, MSR_IA32_U_CET, &u_cet) ||
> ctxt->ops->get_msr(ctxt, MSR_IA32_S_CET, &s_cet))
> return EMULATION_FAILED;
>
> if ((u_cet | s_cet) & CET_SHSTK_EN && opcode.flags & ShadowStack)
> return EMULATION_FAILED;
>
> if ((u_cet | s_cet) & CET_ENDBR_EN && opcode.flags & IndirBrnTrk)
> return EMULATION_FAILED;
> }
On second thought, I think it's worth doing the CPL checks. Explaining why KVM
doesn't bother with checking privilege level is more work than just writing the
code.
/*
* Reject emulation if KVM might need to emulate shadow stack updates
* and/or indirect branch tracking enforcement, which the emulator
* doesn't support.
*/
if (opcode.flags & (ShadowStack | IndirBrnTrk) &&
ctxt->ops->get_cr(ctxt, 4) & X86_CR4_CET) {
u64 u_cet = 0, s_cet = 0;
/*
* Check both User and Supervisor on far transfers as inter-
* privilege level transfers are impacted by CET at the target
* privilege levels, and that is not known at this time. The
* the expectation is that the guest will not require emulation
* of any CET-affected instructions at any privilege level.
*/
if (!(opcode.flags & NearBranch)) {
u_cet = s_cet = CET_SHSTK_EN | CET_ENDBR_EN;
} else if (ctxt->ops->cpl(ctxt) == 3) {
u_cet = CET_SHSTK_EN | CET_ENDBR_EN;
} else {
s_cet = CET_SHSTK_EN | CET_ENDBR_EN;
}
if ((u_cet && ctxt->ops->get_msr(ctxt, MSR_IA32_U_CET, &u_cet)) ||
(s_cet && ctxt->ops->get_msr(ctxt, MSR_IA32_S_CET, &s_cet)))
return EMULATION_FAILED;
if ((u_cet | s_cet) & CET_SHSTK_EN && opcode.flags & ShadowStack)
return EMULATION_FAILED;
if ((u_cet | s_cet) & CET_ENDBR_EN && opcode.flags & IndirBrnTrk)
return EMULATION_FAILED;
}
Side topic, has anyone actually tested that this works? I.e. that attempts to
emulate CET-affected instructions result in emulation failure? I'd love to have
a selftest for this (hint, hint), but presumably writing one is non-trivial due
to the need to get the selftest compiled with the necessary annotations, setup,
and whatnot.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-12 15:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-09 9:39 [PATCH v14 00/22] Enable CET Virtualization Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 01/22] KVM: x86: Introduce KVM_{G,S}ET_ONE_REG uAPIs support Chao Gao
2025-09-10 9:03 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-10 17:17 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-10 17:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 02/22] KVM: x86: Report XSS as to-be-saved if there are supported features Chao Gao
2025-09-11 6:52 ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 03/22] KVM: x86: Check XSS validity against guest CPUIDs Chao Gao
2025-09-10 9:22 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-10 11:33 ` Chao Gao
2025-09-10 18:47 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 04/22] KVM: x86: Refresh CPUID on write to guest MSR_IA32_XSS Chao Gao
2025-09-10 9:23 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-11 7:02 ` Binbin Wu
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 05/22] KVM: x86: Initialize kvm_caps.supported_xss Chao Gao
2025-09-10 9:36 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 06/22] KVM: x86: Load guest FPU state when access XSAVE-managed MSRs Chao Gao
2025-09-10 9:37 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-10 11:18 ` Chao Gao
2025-09-10 13:46 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-10 15:24 ` Chao Gao
2025-09-10 17:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 07/22] KVM: x86: Add fault checks for guest CR4.CET setting Chao Gao
2025-09-10 9:38 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 08/22] KVM: x86: Report KVM supported CET MSRs as to-be-saved Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 09/22] KVM: VMX: Introduce CET VMCS fields and control bits Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 10/22] KVM: x86: Enable guest SSP read/write interface with new uAPIs Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 11/22] KVM: VMX: Emulate read and write to CET MSRs Chao Gao
2025-09-11 8:05 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-11 9:02 ` Chao Gao
2025-09-11 20:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 12/22] KVM: x86: Save and reload SSP to/from SMRAM Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 13/22] KVM: VMX: Set up interception for CET MSRs Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 14/22] KVM: VMX: Set host constant supervisor states to VMCS fields Chao Gao
2025-09-12 22:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 15/22] KVM: x86: Don't emulate instructions guarded by CET Chao Gao
2025-09-11 9:18 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-11 10:42 ` Chao Gao
2025-09-12 6:23 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-09-12 14:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-12 15:11 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-09-16 14:42 ` Chao Gao
2025-09-12 14:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 16/22] KVM: x86: Enable CET virtualization for VMX and advertise to userspace Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 17/22] KVM: nVMX: Virtualize NO_HW_ERROR_CODE_CC for L1 event injection to L2 Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 18/22] KVM: nVMX: Prepare for enabling CET support for nested guest Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 19/22] KVM: nVMX: Add consistency checks for CR0.WP and CR4.CET Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 20/22] KVM: nVMX: Add consistency checks for CET states Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 21/22] KVM: nVMX: Advertise new VM-Entry/Exit control bits for CET state Chao Gao
2025-09-09 9:39 ` [PATCH v14 22/22] KVM: selftest: Add tests for KVM_{GET,SET}_ONE_REG Chao Gao
2025-09-10 18:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-09 9:52 ` [PATCH v14 00/22] Enable CET Virtualization Chao Gao
2025-09-10 18:29 ` Sean Christopherson
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=aMQ4L8id7f1fK16J@google.com \
--to=seanjc@google.com \
--cc=acme@redhat.com \
--cc=bp@alien8.de \
--cc=chao.gao@intel.com \
--cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
--cc=hpa@zytor.com \
--cc=john.allen@amd.com \
--cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mingo@kernel.org \
--cc=mingo@redhat.com \
--cc=minipli@grsecurity.net \
--cc=mlevitsk@redhat.com \
--cc=namhyung@kernel.org \
--cc=pbonzini@redhat.com \
--cc=prsampat@amd.com \
--cc=rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com \
--cc=shuah@kernel.org \
--cc=tglx@linutronix.de \
--cc=weijiang.yang@intel.com \
--cc=x86@kernel.org \
--cc=xiaoyao.li@intel.com \
--cc=xin@zytor.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox