From: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
To: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: will@kernel.org, broonie@kernel.org, maz@kernel.org,
oliver.upton@linux.dev, joey.gouly@arm.com, james.morse@arm.com,
ardb@kernel.org, scott@os.amperecomputing.com,
suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
mark.rutland@arm.com, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
kvmarm@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND v7 4/6] arm64: futex: refactor futex atomic operation
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2025 23:34:07 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMiUX0O3MpdRyb3f@e129823.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aMhrscd1gz_syMtL@arm.com>
Hi Catalin,
> > > On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 04:19:27PM +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h b/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h
> > > > index bc06691d2062..ab7003cb4724 100644
> > > > --- a/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h
> > > > +++ b/arch/arm64/include/asm/futex.h
> > > > @@ -7,17 +7,21 @@
> > > >
> > > > #include <linux/futex.h>
> > > > #include <linux/uaccess.h>
> > > > +#include <linux/stringify.h>
> > > >
> > > > #include <asm/errno.h>
> > > >
> > > > -#define FUTEX_MAX_LOOPS 128 /* What's the largest number you can think of? */
> > > > +#define LLSC_MAX_LOOPS 128 /* What's the largest number you can think of? */
> > >
> > > I just noticed - you might as well leave the name as is here, especially
> > > if in patch 6 you align down address and use CAS on a 64-bit value as
> > > per Will's comment (and it's no longer LLSC). I think renaming this is
> > > unnecessary.
> >
> > Okay. I'll restore to use origin name.
> > But I think LSUI wouldn't be used with CAS according to patch 6's
> > comments from you and additionally i think
> > chaning the CAS would make a failure because of
> > change of unrelated field. i.e)
> >
> > struct user_structure{
> > uint32 futex;
> > uint32 some_value;
> > };
> >
> > In this case, the change of some_value from user side could make a
> > failure of futex atomic operation.
>
> Yes but the loop would read 'some_value' again, fold in 'futex' and
> retry. It would eventually succeed or fail after 128 iterations if the
> user keeps changing that location. Note that's also the case with LL/SC,
> the exclusive monitor would be cleared by some store in the same cache
> line (well, depending on the hardware implementation) and the STXR fail.
> From this perspective, CAS has better chance of succeeding.
Oh. I see Thanks for insight ;)
>
> > So I think it would be better to keep the current LLSC implementation
> > in LSUI.
>
> I think the code would look simpler with LL/SC but you can give it a try
> and post the code sample here (not in a new series).
Okay. I'll try.
>
> BTW, is there a test suite for all the futex operations? The cover
> letter did not mention any.
with selftest's futex testcase, I've tested.
But Since there is no test for each operation even in LTP,
I tested it with additional test from me.
>
> --
> Catalin
--
Sincerely,
Yeoreum Yun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-15 22:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-16 15:19 [PATCH RESEND v7 0/6] support FEAT_LSUI and apply it on futex atomic ops Yeoreum Yun
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 1/6] arm64: cpufeature: add FEAT_LSUI Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:12 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 2/6] KVM: arm64: expose FEAT_LSUI to guest Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:25 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 3/6] arm64: Kconfig: add LSUI Kconfig Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:42 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-15 11:32 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-15 11:41 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 4/6] arm64: futex: refactor futex atomic operation Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:38 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:04 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:44 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-12 17:01 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:39 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:32 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-15 19:40 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 20:35 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 7:02 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-16 9:15 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 9:24 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 10:02 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 10:16 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-16 12:50 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-17 9:32 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 12:47 ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 13:27 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 13:45 ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 13:58 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-16 14:07 ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 14:15 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-15 22:34 ` Yeoreum Yun [this message]
2025-09-16 12:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH v7 RESEND 5/6] arm64: futex: small optimisation for __llsc_futex_atomic_set() Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:28 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:19 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 16:36 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 10:41 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-08-16 15:19 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 6/6] arm64: futex: support futex with FEAT_LSUI Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:22 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:45 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 17:16 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 9:15 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-12 17:09 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 8:24 ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-01 10:06 ` [PATCH RESEND v7 0/6] support FEAT_LSUI and apply it on futex atomic ops Yeoreum Yun
2025-09-11 15:09 ` Will Deacon
2025-09-11 16:22 ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-15 20:37 ` Will Deacon
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