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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	"John B. Wyatt IV" <jwyatt@redhat.com>,
	"John B. Wyatt IV" <sageofredondo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v13 9/9] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 18:59:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMro1w4aeu16wJ9O@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250917161958.178925-10-gmonaco@redhat.com>

Le Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 06:19:58PM +0200, Gabriele Monaco a écrit :
> The timer migration mechanism allows active CPUs to pull timers from
> idle ones to improve the overall idle time. This is however undesired
> when CPU intensive workloads run on isolated cores, as the algorithm
> would move the timers from housekeeping to isolated cores, negatively
> affecting the isolation.
> 
> Exclude isolated cores from the timer migration algorithm, extend the
> concept of unavailable cores, currently used for offline ones, to
> isolated ones:
> * A core is unavailable if isolated or offline;
> * A core is available if non isolated and online;
> 
> A core is considered unavailable as isolated if it belongs to:
> * the isolcpus (domain) list
> * an isolated cpuset
> Except if it is:
> * in the nohz_full list (already idle for the hierarchy)
> * the nohz timekeeper core (must be available to handle global timers)
> 
> CPUs are added to the hierarchy during late boot, excluding isolated
> ones, the hierarchy is also adapted when the cpuset isolation changes.
> 
> Due to how the timer migration algorithm works, any CPU part of the
> hierarchy can have their global timers pulled by remote CPUs and have to
> pull remote timers, only skipping pulling remote timers would break the
> logic.
> For this reason, prevent isolated CPUs from pulling remote global
> timers, but also the other way around: any global timer started on an
> isolated CPU will run there. This does not break the concept of
> isolation (global timers don't come from outside the CPU) and, if
> considered inappropriate, can usually be mitigated with other isolation
> techniques (e.g. IRQ pinning).
> 
> This effect was noticed on a 128 cores machine running oslat on the
> isolated cores (1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127). The tool monopolises CPUs,
> and the CPU with lowest count in a timer migration hierarchy (here 1
> and 65) appears as always active and continuously pulls global timers,
> from the housekeeping CPUs. This ends up moving driver work (e.g.
> delayed work) to isolated CPUs and causes latency spikes:
> 
> before the change:
> 
>  # oslat -c 1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127 -D 62s
>  ...
>   Maximum:     1203 10 3 4 ... 5 (us)
> 
> after the change:
> 
>  # oslat -c 1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127 -D 62s
>  ...
>   Maximum:      10 4 3 4 3 ... 5 (us)
> 
> The same behaviour was observed on a machine with as few as 20 cores /
> 40 threads with isocpus set to: 1-9,11-39 with rtla-osnoise-top.
> 
> Tested-by: John B. Wyatt IV <jwyatt@redhat.com>
> Tested-by: John B. Wyatt IV <sageofredondo@gmail.com>
> Signed-off-by: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>

Reviewed-by: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>

-- 
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 16:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-17 16:19 [PATCH v13 0/9] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 1/9] timers/migration: Postpone online/offline callbacks registration to late initcall Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 2/9] timers: Rename tmigr 'online' bit to 'available' Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 3/9] timers: Add the available mask in timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 4/9] timers: Use scoped_guard when setting/clearing the tmigr available flag Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 5/9] cgroup/cpuset: Rename update_unbound_workqueue_cpumask() to update_exclusion_cpumasks() Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 6/9] sched/isolation: Force housekeeping if isolcpus and nohz_full don't leave any Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 7/9] cgroup/cpuset: Fail if isolated and nohz_full don't leave any housekeeping Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 8/9] cpumask: Add initialiser to use cleanup helpers Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:44   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-09-17 16:19 ` [PATCH v13 9/9] timers: Exclude isolated cpus from timer migration Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-17 16:59   ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2025-09-17 17:02 ` [PATCH v13 0/9] " Frederic Weisbecker
2025-09-17 20:30   ` Waiman Long

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