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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	 Patrick Roy <patrick.roy@linux.dev>,
	Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
	 Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	 kvm list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.co.uk>,
	Shivank Garg <shivankg@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add DEFAULT_SHARED flag, reject user page faults if not set
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2025 09:13:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aN_2JaorgERIkpW4@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGtprH9N=974HZiqfdaO9DK9nycDD9NeiPeHC49P-DkgTaWtTw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 02, 2025, Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2025, 5:12 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > If the _only_ user-visible asset that is added is a KVM_CREATE_GUEST_MEMFD flag,
> > > > a CAP is gross overkill.  Even if there are other assets that accompany the new
> > > > flag, there's no reason we couldn't say "this feature exist if XYZ flag is
> > > > supported".
> > > >
> > > > E.g. it's functionally no different than KVM_CAP_VM_TYPES reporting support for
> > > > KVM_X86_TDX_VM also effectively reporting support for a _huge_ number of things
> > > > far beyond being able to create a VM of type KVM_X86_TDX_VM.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What's your opinion about having KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MMAP part of
> > > KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_CAPS i.e. having a KVM cap covering all features
> > > of guest_memfd?
> >
> > I'd much prefer to have both.  Describing flags for an ioctl via a bitmask that
> > doesn't *exactly* match the flags is asking for problems.  At best, it will be
> > confusing.  E.g. we'll probably end up with code like this:
> >
> >         gmem_caps = kvm_check_cap(KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_CAPS);
> >
> >         if (gmem_caps & KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MMAP)
> >                 gmem_flags |= GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP;
> >         if (gmem_caps & KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_INIT_SHARED)
> >                 gmem_flags |= KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_INIT_SHARED;
> >
> 
> No, I actually meant the userspace can just rely on the cap to assume
> right flags to be available (not necessarily the same flags as cap
> bits).
> 
> i.e. Userspace will do something like:
> gmem_caps = kvm_check_cap(KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_CAPS);
> 
> if (gmem_caps & KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_MMAP)
>         gmem_flags |= GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP;
> if (gmem_caps & KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_HUGETLB)
>         gmem_flags |= GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_HUGETLB | GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_HUGETLB_2MB;

Yes, that's exactly what I said.  But I goofed when copy+pasted and failed to
do s/KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_INIT_SHARED/GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_INIT_SHARED, which is the
type of bug that ideally just can't happen.

Side topic, I'm not at all convinced that this is what we want for KVM's uAPI:

	if (gmem_caps & KVM_CAP_GUEST_MEMFD_HUGETLB)                                  
		gmem_flags |= GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_HUGETLB | GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_HUGETLB_2MB;

See https://lore.kernel.org/all/aN_fJEZXo6wkcHOh@google.com.

> Userspace has to anyways assume flag values, userspace just needs to
> know if a particular feature is available.

I don't understand what you mean by "assume flag values".

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-03 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-26 16:31 [PATCH 0/6] KVM: Avoid a lurking guest_memfd ABI mess Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 1/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add DEFAULT_SHARED flag, reject user page faults if not set Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  8:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  8:57     ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  9:04   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:43     ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 10:15       ` Patrick Roy
2025-09-29 10:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 10:51           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 16:55             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  0:15               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  8:36                 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 14:22                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 16:15                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 16:31                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 17:16                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 22:13                         ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-02  0:04                           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-02 15:41                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-03  0:12                               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03  4:10                                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-03 16:13                                   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-10-03 20:30                                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-09-29 16:54       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 2/6] KVM: selftests: Stash the host page size in a global in the guest_memfd test Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:12   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:17   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 10:56   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 16:58     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  6:52       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 3/6] KVM: selftests: Create a new guest_memfd for each testcase Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29 11:02   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 4/6] KVM: selftests: Add test coverage for guest_memfd without GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_MMAP Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:21   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 5/6] KVM: selftests: Add wrappers for mmap() and munmap() to assert success Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 11:08   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 17:32     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  7:09       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 14:24         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:18           ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-26 16:31 ` [PATCH 6/6] KVM: selftests: Verify that faulting in private guest_memfd memory fails Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29  9:24   ` Fuad Tabba
2025-09-29  9:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-09-29 14:38   ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-29 18:10     ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-29 18:35       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-30  7:53       ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 14:58         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:26           ` Ackerley Tng

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