From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 06/51] KVM: Query guest_memfd for private/shared status
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2025 17:24:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aNx0z2XZaJZxQ44W@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aDbdjmRceMLs1RPN@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>
On Wed, May 28, 2025, Yan Zhao wrote:
> On Wed, May 28, 2025 at 04:08:34PM +0800, Binbin Wu wrote:
> > On 5/27/2025 11:55 AM, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 04:41:45PM -0700, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> > > > @@ -2544,13 +2554,8 @@ static inline bool kvm_mem_is_private(struct kvm *kvm, gfn_t gfn)
> > > > return false;
> > > > slot = gfn_to_memslot(kvm, gfn);
> > > > - if (kvm_slot_has_gmem(slot) && kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared(slot)) {
> > > > - /*
> > > > - * For now, memslots only support in-place shared memory if the
> > > > - * host is allowed to mmap memory (i.e., non-Coco VMs).
> > > > - */
> > > > - return false;
> > > > - }
> > > > + if (kvm_slot_has_gmem(slot) && kvm_gmem_memslot_supports_shared(slot))
> > > > + return kvm_gmem_is_private(slot, gfn);
> > > When userspace gets an exit reason KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT, looks it needs to
> > > update both KVM memory attribute and gmem shareability, via two separate ioctls?
> > IIUC, when userspace sets flag GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_SUPPORT_SHARED to create the
> > guest_memfd, the check for memory attribute will go through the guest_memfd way,
> > the information in kvm->mem_attr_array will not be used.
> >
> > So if userspace sets GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_SUPPORT_SHARED, it uses
> > KVM_GMEM_CONVERT_SHARED/PRIVATE to update gmem shareability.
> > If userspace doesn't set GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_SUPPORT_SHARED, it still uses
> > KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES to update KVM memory attribute tracking.
> Ok, so the user needs to search the memory region and guest_memfd to choose the
> right ioctl.
I don't see any reason to support "split" models like this. Tracking PRIVATE in
two separate locations would be all kinds of crazy. E.g. if a slot is temporarily
deleted, memory could unexpected toggle between private and shared. As evidenced
by Yan's questions, the cognitive load on developers would also be very high.
Just make userspace choose between per-VM and per-gmem, and obviously allow
in-place conversions if and only if attributes are per-gmem.
I (or someone else?) suggested adding a capability to disable per-VM tracking, but
I don't see any reason to allow userspace to opt-out on a per-VM basis either.
The big selling point of in-place conversions is that it avoids having to double
provision some amount of guest memory. Those types of changes go far beyond the
VMM. So I have a very hard time imagining a use case where VMM A will want to
use per-VM attributes while VMM B will want per-gmem attributes.
Using a read-only module param will also simplify the internal code, as KVM will
be able to route memory attributes queries without need a pointer to the "struct
kvm".
In the future, we might have to swizzle things, e.g. if we want with per-VM RWX
attributes, but that's largely a future problem, and a module param also gives us
more flexibility anyways since they tend not to be considered rigid ABI in KVM.
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2025-05-14 23:41 [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Make guest mem use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce and use shareability to guard faulting Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 3:54 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-29 18:20 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-30 8:53 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-30 18:32 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-02 9:43 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-27 8:25 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-27 8:43 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-29 18:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 20:37 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 5:42 ` Michael Roth
2025-06-11 21:51 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 23:25 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03 0:46 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 0:52 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 4:12 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-03 5:10 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-03 20:39 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-07 14:55 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12 0:10 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-12 17:53 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-12 8:23 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-08-13 17:11 ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-11 22:10 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-08-01 0:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-14 21:35 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 23:40 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 10:00 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 16:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-01 22:24 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 0:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-02 7:49 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 23:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-13 23:40 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 23:25 ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-02 8:24 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 17:33 ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-13 23:44 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-01 14:33 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-01 16:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/51] KVM: selftests: Update guest_memfd_test for INIT_PRIVATE flag Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 13:49 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:42 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:31 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-27 8:53 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 19:59 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce KVM_GMEM_CONVERT_SHARED/PRIVATE ioctls Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 14:50 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 17:53 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-20 9:22 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 13:02 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 13:44 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 14:11 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 14:33 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 16:02 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-20 18:05 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-20 19:40 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 12:36 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 14:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 15:21 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-21 15:51 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-21 18:27 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 14:52 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-22 15:07 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-05-22 16:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-23 10:12 ` Fuad Tabba
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2025-10-01 0:09 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-24 8:23 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-24 13:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-06-24 14:10 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-27 4:49 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-27 15:17 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30 0:19 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-06-30 14:19 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 6:57 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-07-10 17:58 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 8:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 13:54 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-02 14:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-02 14:32 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 10:50 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-10 17:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-11 4:31 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-11 9:33 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-16 22:22 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-17 9:32 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-17 16:56 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-18 2:48 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 14:15 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-07-21 14:18 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-18 15:13 ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-21 9:58 ` Xu Yilun
2025-07-22 18:17 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-22 19:25 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28 3:16 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:10 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-03 0:54 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Skip LRU for guest_memfd folios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28 7:01 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-30 20:32 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-30 23:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/51] KVM: Query guest_memfd for private/shared status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 3:55 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28 8:08 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-28 9:55 ` Yan Zhao
2025-10-01 0:24 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Add CAP KVM_CAP_GMEM_CONVERSION Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/51] KVM: selftests: Test flag validity after guest_memfd supports conversions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/51] KVM: selftests: Test faulting with respect to GUEST_MEMFD_FLAG_INIT_PRIVATE Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/51] KVM: selftests: Refactor vm_mem_add to be more flexible Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 22:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/51] KVM: selftests: Allow cleanup of ucall_pool from host Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 18:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/51] KVM: selftests: Test conversion flows for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-10-02 19:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to exercise private_mem_conversions_test Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 14/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test to mmap guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 15/51] KVM: selftests: Update script to map shared memory from guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 16/51] mm: hugetlb: Consolidate interpretation of gbl_chg within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 2:09 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-05-28 8:55 ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-07 18:27 ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 17/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of gbl_chg in alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 18/51] mm: hugetlb: Cleanup interpretation of map_chg_state within alloc_hugetlb_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-07-07 18:08 ` James Houghton
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 19/51] mm: hugetlb: Rename alloc_surplus_hugetlb_folio Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:41 ` [RFC PATCH v2 20/51] mm: mempolicy: Refactor out policy_node_nodemask() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 21/51] mm: hugetlb: Inline huge_node() into callers Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 22/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor hugetlb allocation functions Ackerley Tng
2025-05-31 23:45 ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:03 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 23/51] mm: hugetlb: Refactor out hugetlb_alloc_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-06-01 0:38 ` Ira Weiny
2025-06-13 22:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 24/51] mm: hugetlb: Add option to create new subpool without using surplus Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 25/51] mm: truncate: Expose preparation steps for truncate_inode_pages_final Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 26/51] mm: Consolidate freeing of typed folios on final folio_put() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 27/51] mm: hugetlb: Expose hugetlb_subpool_{get,put}_pages() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 28/51] mm: Introduce guestmem_hugetlb to support folio_put() handling of guestmem pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 29/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Wrap HugeTLB as an allocator for guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 14:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 20:33 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-09-16 22:41 ` Michael Roth
2025-09-16 22:55 ` Michael Roth
2025-09-18 6:38 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 14:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03 16:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 30/51] mm: truncate: Expose truncate_inode_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 31/51] KVM: x86: Set disallow_lpage on base_gfn and guest_memfd pgoff misalignment Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 32/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Support guestmem_hugetlb as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-23 10:47 ` Yan Zhao
2025-08-12 9:13 ` Tony Lindgren
2025-10-01 23:15 ` Michael Roth
2025-10-03 14:52 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 33/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Allocate and truncate from " Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 18:05 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-22 23:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-28 10:58 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-03 7:43 ` Binbin Wu
2025-07-16 22:13 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 15:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 34/51] mm: hugetlb: Add functions to add/delete folio from hugetlb lists Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 35/51] mm: guestmem_hugetlb: Add support for splitting and merging pages Ackerley Tng
2025-09-16 22:28 ` Michael Roth
2025-09-18 6:53 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-03 16:11 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 36/51] mm: Convert split_folio() macro to function Ackerley Tng
2025-05-21 16:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 37/51] filemap: Pass address_space mapping to ->free_folio() Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 38/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Split allocator pages for guest_memfd use Ackerley Tng
2025-05-22 22:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-05 17:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 17:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 4:30 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-27 4:38 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 17:50 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-27 8:45 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 19:10 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 11:15 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 5:24 ` Binbin Wu
2025-06-05 19:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 39/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Merge and truncate on fallocate(PUNCH_HOLE) Ackerley Tng
2025-05-28 11:00 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-28 16:39 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-29 3:26 ` Yan Zhao
2025-09-26 9:14 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 40/51] KVM: guest_memfd: Update kvm_gmem_mapping_order to account for page status Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 41/51] KVM: Add CAP to indicate support for HugeTLB as custom allocator Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 42/51] KVM: selftests: Add basic selftests for hugetlb-backed guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 43/51] KVM: selftests: Update conversion flows test for HugeTLB Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 44/51] KVM: selftests: Test truncation paths of guest_memfd Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 45/51] KVM: selftests: Test allocation and conversion of subfolios Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 46/51] KVM: selftests: Test that guest_memfd usage is reported via hugetlb Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 47/51] KVM: selftests: Support various types of backing sources for private memory Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 48/51] KVM: selftests: Update test for various private memory backing source types Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 49/51] KVM: selftests: Update private_mem_conversions_test.sh to test with HugeTLB pages Ackerley Tng
2025-05-14 23:42 ` [RFC PATCH v2 50/51] KVM: selftests: Add script to test HugeTLB statistics Ackerley Tng
2025-05-15 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 18:42 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15 23:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 0:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 2:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 13:11 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-16 16:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 19:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 20:25 ` Dave Hansen
2025-05-16 21:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 17:45 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-05-16 13:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-05-16 17:04 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 0:22 ` [RFC PATCH v2 51/51] KVM: selftests: Test guest_memfd for accuracy of st_blocks Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 19:48 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/51] 1G page support for guest_memfd Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 19:59 ` Ira Weiny
2025-05-16 20:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-05-16 22:43 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-19 8:13 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19 8:59 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19 9:18 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19 9:28 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-19 9:45 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-19 9:49 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-29 18:28 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-30 3:14 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-30 14:14 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 5:23 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 19:48 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-07 23:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 0:14 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 1:08 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 14:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 14:52 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:07 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:31 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 17:16 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 17:39 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 18:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 18:13 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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2025-07-08 21:23 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-09 14:28 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 15:00 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-10 1:30 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-10 23:33 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 21:18 ` Vishal Annapurve
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2025-07-09 15:17 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-10 3:39 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 19:28 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 19:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 22:54 ` Vishal Annapurve
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2025-07-08 16:22 ` Fuad Tabba
2025-07-08 17:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-08 18:37 ` Fuad Tabba
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