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From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	kernel test robot <oliver.sang@intel.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/21] rcu: Re-implement RCU Tasks Trace in terms of SRCU-fast
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2025 14:10:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aOUDQeLtfeoBEPng@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d24f3987-48de-43e3-a841-2a116ac6d5c7@paulmck-laptop>

Le Sat, Oct 04, 2025 at 02:47:08AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> On Thu, Oct 02, 2025 at 05:46:10PM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> > Le Wed, Oct 01, 2025 at 07:48:13AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney a écrit :
> > > This commit saves more than 500 lines of RCU code by re-implementing
> > > RCU Tasks Trace in terms of SRCU-fast.  Follow-up work will remove
> > > more code that does not cause problems by its presence, but that is no
> > > longer required.
> > > 
> > > This variant places smp_mb() in rcu_read_{,un}lock_trace(), which will
> > > be removed on common-case architectures in a later commit.
> > 
> > The changelog doesn't mention what this is ordering :-)
> 
> "The ordering that dare not be named"?  ;-)
> 
> How about like this for that second paragraph?
> 
> 	This variant places smp_mb() in rcu_read_{,un}lock_trace(),
> 	which will be removed on common-case architectures in a
> 	later commit.  In the meantime, it serves to enforce ordering
> 	between the underlying srcu_read_{,un}lock_fast() markers and
> 	the intervening critical section, even on architectures that
> 	permit attaching tracepoints on regions of code not watched
> 	by RCU.  Such architectures defeat SRCU-fast's use of implicit
> 	single-instruction, interrupts-disabled, and atomic-operation
> 	RCU read-side critical sections, which have no effect when RCU is
> 	not watching.  The aforementioned later commit will insert these
> 	smp_mb() calls only on architectures that have not used noinstr to
> 	prevent attaching tracepoints to code where RCU is not watching.

Oh I see now. So basically this forces the SRCU-slow behaviour by
restoring the full barriers that are within SRCU-slow's srcu_read_[un]lock()
(can we add a word about that?) for those architectures due to unwatched
RCU sections that can escape the vigilance of the synchronize_rcu() on
the write side.

Thanks.

-- 
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-07 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-01 14:48 [PATCH v2 0/21] Implement RCU Tasks Trace in terms of SRCU-fast and optimize Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 01/21] srcu: Permit Tiny SRCU srcu_read_unlock() with interrupts disabled Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 02/21] rcu: Re-implement RCU Tasks Trace in terms of SRCU-fast Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-02 15:46   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-10-04  9:47     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-07 12:10       ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2025-10-07 13:47         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 03/21] context_tracking: Remove rcu_task_trace_heavyweight_{enter,exit}() Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 04/21] rcu: Clean up after the SRCU-fastification of RCU Tasks Trace Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 05/21] rcu: Move rcu_tasks_trace_srcu_struct out of #ifdef CONFIG_TASKS_RCU_GENERIC Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 06/21] srcu: Create an srcu_expedite_current() function Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 07/21] rcutorture: Test srcu_expedite_current() Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 08/21] rcu: Add noinstr-fast rcu_read_{,un}lock_tasks_trace() APIs Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-02  1:37   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-02 13:38     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-02 15:56       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-03  8:07         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 09/21] rcu: Update Requirements.rst for RCU Tasks Trace Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 10/21] checkpatch: Deprecate rcu_read_{,un}lock_trace() Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 11/21] srcu: Create a DEFINE_SRCU_FAST() Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 12/21] srcu: Create an rcu_tasks_trace_expedite_current() function Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 13/21] rcutorture: Test rcu_tasks_trace_expedite_current() Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 14/21] srcu: Make grace-period determination use ssp->srcu_reader_flavor Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 15/21] rcutorture: Exercise DEFINE_STATIC_SRCU_FAST() and init_srcu_struct_fast() Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 16/21] refscale: " Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 17/21] srcu: Require special srcu_struct define/init for SRCU-fast readers Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 18/21] srcu: Make SRCU-fast readers enforce use of SRCU-fast definition/init Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 19/21] doc: Update for SRCU-fast definitions and initialization Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 20/21] tracing: Guard __DECLARE_TRACE() use of __DO_TRACE_CALL() with SRCU-fast Paul E. McKenney
2025-10-01 14:48 ` [PATCH v2 21/21] rcu: Mark diagnostic functions as notrace Paul E. McKenney

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