From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
Cc: Shivank Garg <shivankg@amd.com>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Fuad Tabba <tabba@google.com>,
Ashish Kalra <ashish.kalra@amd.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v12 05/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Enforce NUMA mempolicy using shared policy
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 09:56:55 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aO_SV0ee6h8rK9dZ@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <diqzv7kmfmio.fsf@google.com>
On Fri, Oct 10, 2025, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2025, Shivank Garg wrote:
> >> >> @@ -112,6 +114,19 @@ static int kvm_gmem_prepare_folio(struct kvm *kvm, struct kvm_memory_slot *slot,
> >> >> return r;
> >> >> }
> >> >>
> >> >> +static struct mempolicy *kvm_gmem_get_folio_policy(struct gmem_inode *gi,
> >> >> + pgoff_t index)
> >> >
> >> > How about kvm_gmem_get_index_policy() instead, since the policy is keyed
> >> > by index?
> >
> > But isn't the policy tied to the folio? I assume/hope that something will split
> > folios if they have different policies for their indices when a folio contains
> > more than one page. In other words, how will this work when hugepage support
> > comes along?
> >
> > So yeah, I agree that the lookup is keyed on the index, but conceptually aren't
> > we getting the policy for the folio? The index is a means to an end.
> >
>
> I think the policy is tied to the index.
>
> When we mmap(), there may not be a folio at this index yet, so any folio
> that gets allocated for this index then is taken from the right NUMA
> node based on the policy.
>
> If the folio is later truncated, the folio just goes back to the NUMA
> node, but the memory policy remains for the next folio to be allocated
> at this index.
Right. Though thinking about this more, there's no reason to have "index" in
the name, kvm_gmem_get_policy() is sufficient. E.g. we don't have "index" in
the name for things like kvm_get_vcpu().
Luckily, it's all made moot by Shivank's fixup :-)
> >> >> +{
> >> >> +#ifdef CONFIG_NUMA
> >> >> + struct mempolicy *mpol;
> >> >> +
> >> >> + mpol = mpol_shared_policy_lookup(&gi->policy, index);
> >> >> + return mpol ? mpol : get_task_policy(current);
> >> >
> >> > Should we be returning NULL if no shared policy was defined?
> >> >
> >> > By returning NULL, __filemap_get_folio_mpol() can handle the case where
> >> > cpuset_do_page_mem_spread().
> >> >
> >> > If we always return current's task policy, what if the user wants to use
> >> > cpuset_do_page_mem_spread()?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I initially followed shmem's approach here.
> >> I agree that returning NULL maintains consistency with the current default
> >> behavior of cpuset_do_page_mem_spread(), regardless of CONFIG_NUMA.
> >>
> >> I'm curious what could be the practical implications of cpuset_do_page_mem_spread()
> >> v/s get_task_policy() as the fallback?
> >
> > Userspace could enable page spreading on the task that triggers guest_memfd
> > allocation. I can't conjure up a reason to do that, but I've been surprised
> > more than once by KVM setups.
> >
> >> Which is more appropriate for guest_memfd when no policy is explicitly set
> >> via mbind()?
> >
> > I don't think we need to answer that question? Userspace _has_ set a policy,
> > just through cpuset, not via mbind(). So while I can't imagine there's a sane
> > use case for cpuset_do_page_mem_spread() with guest_memfd, I also don't see a
> > reason why KVM should effectively disallow it.
> >
> > And unless I'm missing something, allocation will eventually fallback to
> > get_task_policy() (in alloc_frozen_pages_noprof()), so by explicitly getting the
> > task policy in guest_memfd, KVM is doing _more_ work than necessary _and_ is
> > unnecessarily restricting usersepace.
> >
> > Add in that returning NULL would align this code with the ->get_policy hook (and
> > could be shared again, I assume), and my vote is definitely to return NULL and
> > not get in the way.
>
> ... although if we are going to return NULL then we can directly use
> mpol_shared_policy_lookup(), so the first discussion is moot.
Ha! Great minds think alike, right!!?!
> Though looking slightly into the future, shareability (aka memory
> attributes or shared/private state within guest_memfd inodes) are also
> keyed by index, and is a property of the index and not the folio (since
> shared/private state is defined even before folios are allocated for a
> given index.
Yeah, which further reinforces that having "index" in the function name is
superfluous (and potentially confusing), e.g. IMO the proposed helpers:
kvm_gmem_get_attributes()
kvm_gmem_is_private_mem()
kvm_gmem_is_shared_mem()
are far better than e.g.:
kvm_gmem_get_index_attributes()
kvm_gmem_is_index_private_mem()
kvm_gmem_is_index_shared_mem()
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-15 16:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-07 22:14 [PATCH v12 00/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add NUMA mempolicy support Sean Christopherson
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 01/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Rename "struct kvm_gmem" to "struct gmem_file" Sean Christopherson
2025-10-08 5:25 ` Garg, Shivank
2025-10-09 21:08 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-10 15:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 02/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add macro to iterate over gmem_files for a mapping/inode Sean Christopherson
2025-10-08 5:30 ` Garg, Shivank
2025-10-09 21:27 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 03/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Use guest mem inodes instead of anonymous inodes Sean Christopherson
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 04/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add slab-allocated inode cache Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 21:39 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-09 22:16 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 05/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Enforce NUMA mempolicy using shared policy Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 22:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-10 7:57 ` Garg, Shivank
2025-10-10 20:33 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-10 21:57 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-12 20:00 ` Garg, Shivank
2025-10-15 16:56 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 06/12] KVM: selftests: Define wrappers for common syscalls to assert success Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 21:44 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 07/12] KVM: selftests: Report stacktraces SIGBUS, SIGSEGV, SIGILL, and SIGFPE by default Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 22:31 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 08/12] KVM: selftests: Add additional equivalents to libnuma APIs in KVM's numaif.h Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 22:34 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 09/12] KVM: selftests: Use proper uAPI headers to pick up mempolicy.h definitions Sean Christopherson
2025-10-10 17:59 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 10/12] KVM: selftests: Add helpers to probe for NUMA support, and multi-node systems Sean Christopherson
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 11/12] KVM: selftests: Add guest_memfd tests for mmap and NUMA policy support Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 23:08 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-10-07 22:14 ` [PATCH v12 12/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add gmem_inode.flags field instead of using i_private Sean Christopherson
2025-10-09 20:58 ` [PATCH v12 00/12] KVM: guest_memfd: Add NUMA mempolicy support Ackerley Tng
2025-10-10 4:59 ` Garg, Shivank
2025-10-10 17:56 ` Ackerley Tng
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