From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
"John B. Wyatt IV" <jwyatt@redhat.com>,
"John B. Wyatt IV" <sageofredondo@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 7/7] timers/migration: Exclude isolated cpus from hierarchy
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 17:12:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aR89_CvefBjyDeaz@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251120145653.296659-8-gmonaco@redhat.com>
Le Thu, Nov 20, 2025 at 03:56:53PM +0100, Gabriele Monaco a écrit :
> The timer migration mechanism allows active CPUs to pull timers from
> idle ones to improve the overall idle time. This is however undesired
> when CPU intensive workloads run on isolated cores, as the algorithm
> would move the timers from housekeeping to isolated cores, negatively
> affecting the isolation.
>
> Exclude isolated cores from the timer migration algorithm, extend the
> concept of unavailable cores, currently used for offline ones, to
> isolated ones:
> * A core is unavailable if isolated or offline;
> * A core is available if non isolated and online;
>
> A core is considered unavailable as isolated if it belongs to:
> * the isolcpus (domain) list
> * an isolated cpuset
> Except if it is:
> * in the nohz_full list (already idle for the hierarchy)
> * the nohz timekeeper core (must be available to handle global timers)
>
> CPUs are added to the hierarchy during late boot, excluding isolated
> ones, the hierarchy is also adapted when the cpuset isolation changes.
>
> Due to how the timer migration algorithm works, any CPU part of the
> hierarchy can have their global timers pulled by remote CPUs and have to
> pull remote timers, only skipping pulling remote timers would break the
> logic.
> For this reason, prevent isolated CPUs from pulling remote global
> timers, but also the other way around: any global timer started on an
> isolated CPU will run there. This does not break the concept of
> isolation (global timers don't come from outside the CPU) and, if
> considered inappropriate, can usually be mitigated with other isolation
> techniques (e.g. IRQ pinning).
>
> This effect was noticed on a 128 cores machine running oslat on the
> isolated cores (1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127). The tool monopolises CPUs,
> and the CPU with lowest count in a timer migration hierarchy (here 1
> and 65) appears as always active and continuously pulls global timers,
> from the housekeeping CPUs. This ends up moving driver work (e.g.
> delayed work) to isolated CPUs and causes latency spikes:
>
> before the change:
>
> # oslat -c 1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127 -D 62s
> ...
> Maximum: 1203 10 3 4 ... 5 (us)
>
> after the change:
>
> # oslat -c 1-31,33-63,65-95,97-127 -D 62s
> ...
> Maximum: 10 4 3 4 3 ... 5 (us)
>
> The same behaviour was observed on a machine with as few as 20 cores /
> 40 threads with isocpus set to: 1-9,11-39 with rtla-osnoise-top.
>
> Tested-by: John B. Wyatt IV <jwyatt@redhat.com>
> Tested-by: John B. Wyatt IV <sageofredondo@gmail.com>
> Signed-off-by: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>
Reviewed-by: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Thanks a lot! Looks pretty good now!
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-20 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-20 14:56 [PATCH v16 0/7] timers/migration: Exclude isolated cpus from hierarchy Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 1/7] timers/migration: Rename 'online' bit to 'available' Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 2/7] timers/migration: Add mask for CPUs available in the hierarchy Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 3/7] timers/migration: Use scoped_guard on available flag set/clear Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 4/7] cgroup/cpuset: Rename update_unbound_workqueue_cpumask() to update_isolation_cpumasks() Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 5/7] sched/isolation: Force housekeeping if isolcpus and nohz_full don't leave any Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 6/7] cpumask: Add initialiser to use cleanup helpers Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Yury Norov
2025-11-20 14:56 ` [PATCH v16 7/7] timers/migration: Exclude isolated cpus from hierarchy Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 15:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-20 15:23 ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-11-20 15:34 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-20 16:12 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2025-11-20 19:18 ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-20 19:22 ` [tip: timers/core] " tip-bot2 for Gabriele Monaco
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