From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Gabriele Paoloni <gpaoloni@redhat.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
Chuck Wolber <chuckwolber@gmail.com>,
Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Follow-up on Linux-kernel code accessibility
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2025 12:59:42 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aUWSjl0MR4KZq-iy@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251219170945.GA32430@macsyma.lan>
On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 12:09:45PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 07:51:47AM +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
>> automatically in many cases, or regenerated automatically from some hints.
>> But the low-level ones may be needed to make the bridge between the code
>> and the high-level specification.
>
>Sasha's API specification framework patches might be something that's
>worth considering in this context. The thing that we need be careful
>though, is that we might need to have a way of tagging kernel
>functions in terms of the priority for the first set of high-level
>interfaces for a newcomer to the kernel should look at first, and
>those that might be less important, so that the newcomer won't get
>overwhelmed with a vast number of low-level definitions.
I just sent a refreshed version earlier today
(https://lore.kernel.org/all/20251218204239.4159453-1-sashal@kernel.org/),
which also links to a branch that has over 100 LLM-generated syscall specs.
The nice thing about it is that we don't need to trust the LLM to do the right
thing: the spec is machine readable and we can generate testing based off of
it. Running something like LTP using those specs is pretty good at highlighting
issues - whether in the spec or the actual implementation.
I'd we weary to see complex specs in kernel-internal functions. Those often get
refactored and improved. Having complex speccing on them will make that work
much more difficult and complex.
--
Thanks,
Sasha
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-19 17:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-18 19:49 Follow-up on Linux-kernel code accessibility Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-18 22:09 ` David Laight
2025-12-19 0:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-19 6:51 ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-19 17:09 ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-19 17:59 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2025-12-19 18:28 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-20 0:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-22 15:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 23:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-24 14:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-25 15:03 ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-25 18:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-26 16:48 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-26 18:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-26 19:22 ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-26 20:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-27 1:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-27 6:16 ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-27 23:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-27 23:32 ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-28 1:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-28 1:48 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-28 5:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-28 9:36 ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-29 15:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-29 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 17:02 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-29 17:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 18:10 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-29 18:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 20:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-29 22:05 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-09 1:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-09 1:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-09 14:58 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 18:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-11 3:30 ` Theodore Tso
2026-01-11 17:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12 5:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12 7:05 ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-12 16:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 23:50 ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-30 0:19 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-30 0:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 2:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-28 12:46 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-29 0:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-25 18:18 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-26 16:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-26 18:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-19 21:05 ` Chris Mason
2025-12-20 4:00 ` Theodore Tso
2026-01-06 18:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-13 13:03 ` Chris Mason
2025-12-20 0:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-06 18:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09 1:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
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