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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>
Cc: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,  rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, kas@kernel.org,  tabba@google.com,
	michael.roth@amd.com, david@kernel.org, sagis@google.com,
	 vbabka@suse.cz, thomas.lendacky@amd.com, nik.borisov@suse.com,
	 pgonda@google.com, fan.du@intel.com, jun.miao@intel.com,
	 francescolavra.fl@gmail.com, jgross@suse.com,
	ira.weiny@intel.com,  isaku.yamahata@intel.com,
	xiaoyao.li@intel.com, kai.huang@intel.com,
	 binbin.wu@linux.intel.com, chao.p.peng@intel.com,
	chao.gao@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 15:43:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aV2eIalRLSEGozY0@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEvNRgFOER_j61-3u2dEoYdFMPNKaVGEL_=o2WVHfBi8nN+T0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 06, 2026, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, Jan 06, 2026, Ackerley Tng wrote:
> >> Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 2:19 AM Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> - EPT mapping size and folio size
> >> >>
> >> >>   This series is built upon the rule in KVM that the mapping size in the
> >> >>   KVM-managed secondary MMU is no larger than the backend folio size.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not familiar with this rule and would like to find out more. Why is
> >> this rule imposed?
> >
> > Because it's the only sane way to safely map memory into the guest? :-D
> >
> >> Is this rule there just because traditionally folio sizes also define the
> >> limit of contiguity, and so the mapping size must not be greater than folio
> >> size in case the block of memory represented by the folio is not contiguous?
> >
> > Pre-guest_memfd, KVM didn't care about folios.  KVM's mapping size was (and still
> > is) strictly bound by the host mapping size.  That's handles contiguous addresses,
> > but it _also_ handles contiguous protections (e.g. RWX) and other attributes.
> >
> >> In guest_memfd's case, even if the folio is split (just for refcount
> >> tracking purposese on private to shared conversion), the memory is still
> >> contiguous up to the original folio's size. Will the contiguity address
> >> the concerns?
> >
> > Not really?  Why would the folio be split if the memory _and its attributes_ are
> > fully contiguous?  If the attributes are mixed, KVM must not create a mapping
> > spanning mixed ranges, i.e. with multiple folios.
> 
> The folio can be split if any (or all) of the pages in a huge page range
> are shared (in the CoCo sense). So in a 1G block of memory, even if the
> attributes all read 0 (!KVM_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTE_PRIVATE), the folio
> would be split, and the split folios are necessary for tracking users of
> shared pages using struct page refcounts.

Ahh, that's what the refcounting was referring to.  Gotcha.

> However the split folios in that 1G range are still fully contiguous.
> 
> The process of conversion will split the EPT entries soon after the
> folios are split so the rule remains upheld.
> 
> I guess perhaps the question is, is it okay if the folios are smaller
> than the mapping while conversion is in progress? Does the order matter
> (split page table entries first vs split folios first)?

Mapping a hugepage for memory that KVM _knows_ is contiguous and homogenous is
conceptually totally fine, i.e. I'm not totally opposed to adding support for
mapping multiple guest_memfd folios with a single hugepage.   As to whether we
do (a) nothing, (b) change the refcounting, or (c) add support for mapping
multiple folios in one page, probably comes down to which option provides "good
enough" performance without incurring too much complexity.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-06 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 10:16 [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07  9:12     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09  3:08         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  2:41             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50               ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  1:48                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  1:00   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16  8:35     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  6:18           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  6:15         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  5:55     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  7:54     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27  3:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:28       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  8:35         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  8:49           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:33           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  0:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  6:42     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21  1:54   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:03       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22  7:30         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:49           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33             ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-01-07  9:03           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11             ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09  9:18               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07                   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  1:39                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12  2:12                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13  6:10                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  9:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 19:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14  0:33             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14  1:24               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14  9:23                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45                     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15  3:08                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19  5:53                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03  9:18                                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57                         ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45                             ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25                                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  1:41                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:25       ` Yan Zhao

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