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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>,
	Gabriele Paoloni <gpaoloni@redhat.com>,
	Kate Stewart <kstewart@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Chuck Wolber <chuckwolber@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Chris Mason <clm@meta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Follow-up on Linux-kernel code accessibility
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2025 12:46:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aVEmiQBlnGO-tOlT@gallifrey> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8005c35a-d8dc-4908-93e5-46bd206f0139@paulmck-laptop>

* Paul E. McKenney (paulmck@kernel.org) wrote:

<snip>

> > > > 
> > > > j = (j + 2) / 3;
> > > 
> > > "Divide by three rounding up."
> > 
> > That's not *that* obvious, but ok, but then why 3?
> > 
> > Then later there is:
> >          WRITE_ONCE(rcu_state.jiffies_kick_kthreads,
> >                    jiffies + (j ? 3 * j : 2));
> > 
> > Which I assume is related - but then why the 2?
> 
> Would the two of you (Julia and Dave) like to join in with Steve and
> myself walking through this function and its caller?

Not sure what you mean join in; not really set up for a call etc at the
moment, but happy to continue a mail chain.

But, if we're talking about the understandability of these few lines,
it looks like this could be something like:


   // We have 3 ..... for the case when ...
   const unsigned long something = 3;
....
   j = DIV_ROUND_UP(j, something);

which would seem to make it more readable with very little effort.

(Hmm, since j is unsigned long why do we have a test of:
    if  (j <= 0) 
      j = 1
)

Dave

> > Curiosly my local tame Qwen3 LLM explained the rounding up:
> > 
> > > I see some code doing 'j = (j + 2) / 3'  - what's it trying to do?
> > The expression `j = (j + 2) / 3` is a clever way to **round up an
> > integer division by 3** — that is, it computes the ceiling of `j / 3`
> > for non-negative integers.
> 
> Good to see!
> 
> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> > Dave
> > 
> > > 
> > > 							Thanx, Paul
> > > 
> > > > > > julia
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 							Thanx, Paul
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GCdQC8SDbb54W1shjEXqGZ0Rq8a6kIeYutdSIajfpLA/edit?pli=1&tab=t.0#heading=h.ytgz5i5df43s
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [2] https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/paulmck/perfbook/perfbook.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > 
> > -- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-12-28 12:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-18 19:49 Follow-up on Linux-kernel code accessibility Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-18 22:09 ` David Laight
2025-12-19  0:20   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-19  6:51 ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-19 17:09   ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-19 17:59     ` Sasha Levin
2025-12-19 18:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-20  0:36         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-22 15:42           ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-23 23:46             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-24 14:11               ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-25 15:03                 ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-25 18:22                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-26 16:48                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-26 18:44                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-26 19:22                     ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-26 20:35                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-27  1:04                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-27  6:16                         ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-27 23:28                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-27 23:32                             ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-28  1:26                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-28  1:48                                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-28  5:16                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-28  9:36                                     ` Julia Lawall
2025-12-29 15:40                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-29 16:16                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 17:02                                           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-29 17:37                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 18:10                                               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-12-29 18:59                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 20:35                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-29 22:05                                                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2026-01-09  1:35                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-09  1:34                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-09 14:58                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09 18:31                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-11  3:30                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2026-01-11 17:11                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-12  5:06                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-12  7:05                                                               ` Julia Lawall
2026-01-12 16:57                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-29 23:50                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2025-12-30  0:19                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-30  0:34                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2026-01-09  2:23                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-28 12:46                                     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2025-12-29  0:03                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-25 18:18                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-26 16:51                   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-12-26 18:36                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-19 21:05     ` Chris Mason
2025-12-20  4:00       ` Theodore Tso
2026-01-06 18:08       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-13 13:03         ` Chris Mason
2025-12-20  0:31   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-01-06 18:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-01-09  1:40   ` Paul E. McKenney

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