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From: Dmytro Maluka <dmaluka@chromium.org>
To: Baolu Lu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Samiullah Khawaja <skhawaja@google.com>,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Vineeth Pillai (Google)" <vineeth@bitbyteword.org>,
	Aashish Sharma <aashish@aashishsharma.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] iommu/vt-d: Clear Present bit before tearing down PASID entry
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2026 14:49:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aW-H4Qn2qV7QHeff@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59eb3d65-0962-4523-a4c9-8e4417217a0f@linux.intel.com>

On Fri, Jan 16, 2026 at 02:06:30PM +0800, Baolu Lu wrote:
> On 1/16/26 05:35, Dmytro Maluka wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2026 at 10:45:12AM +0800, Baolu Lu wrote:
> > > On 1/14/26 19:12, Dmytro Maluka wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 01:38:13PM +0800, Baolu Lu wrote:
> > > > > On 1/14/26 03:34, Dmytro Maluka wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 11:00:47AM +0800, Lu Baolu wrote:
> > > > > > > +	intel_pasid_clear_entry(iommu, dev, pasid, fault_ignore);
> > > > > > Is it safe to do this with iommu->lock already unlocked?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yes, it is. The PASID entry lifecycle is serialized by the iommu_group-
> > > > > > mutex in the iommu core, which ensures that no other thread can attempt
> > > > > to allocate or setup this same PASID until intel_pasid_tear_down_entry()
> > > > > has returned.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The iommu->lock is held during the initial transition (P->0) to ensure
> > > > > atomicity against other hardware-table walkers, but once the P bit is
> > > > > cleared and the caches are flushed, the final zeroing of the 'dead'
> > > > > entry does not strictly require the spinlock because the PASID remains
> > > > > reserved in software until the function completes.
> > > > 
> > > > Ok. Just to understand: "other hardware-table walkers" means some
> > > > software walkers, not hardware ones? Which software walkers are those?
> > > > (I can't imagine how holding a spinlock could prevent the hardware from
> > > > walking those tables. :))
> > > 
> > > You are right. A spinlock doesn't stop the hardware. The spinlock
> > > serializes software threads to ensure the hardware walker always sees a
> > > consistent entry.
> > > 
> > > When a PASID entry is active (P=1), other kernel paths might modify
> > > the control bits in-place. For example:
> > > 
> > > void intel_pasid_setup_page_snoop_control(struct intel_iommu *iommu,
> > >                                            struct device *dev, u32 pasid)
> > > {
> > >          struct pasid_entry *pte;
> > >          u16 did;
> > > 
> > >          spin_lock(&iommu->lock);
> > >          pte = intel_pasid_get_entry(dev, pasid);
> > >          if (WARN_ON(!pte || !pasid_pte_is_present(pte))) {
> > >                  spin_unlock(&iommu->lock);
> > >                  return;
> > >          }
> > > 
> > >          pasid_set_pgsnp(pte);
> > >          did = pasid_get_domain_id(pte);
> > >          spin_unlock(&iommu->lock);
> > > 
> > >          intel_pasid_flush_present(iommu, dev, pasid, did, pte);
> > > }
> > > 
> > > In this case, the iommu->lock ensures that if two threads try to modify
> > > the same active entry, they don't interfere with each other and leave
> > > the entry in a 'torn' state for the IOMMU hardware to read.
> > > 
> > > In intel_pasid_tear_down_entry(), once the PASID entry is deactivated
> > > (setting P=0 and flushing caches), the entry is owned exclusively  by
> > > the teardown thread until it is re-configured. That's the reason why the
> > > final zeroing doesn't need the spinlock.
> > 
> > I see. Am I correct that those other code paths (modifying an entry
> > in-place) are not supposed to do that concurrently with
> > intel_pasid_tear_down_entry(), i.e. they should only do that while it is
> > guaranteed that the entry remains present? Otherwise there is a bug
> > (hence, for example, the WARN_ON in
> > intel_pasid_setup_page_snoop_control())?
> 
> The iommu driver assumes that high-level software should ensure this.
> 
> > So, holding iommu->lock during
> > entry teardown is not strictly necessary (i.e. we could unlock it even
> > earlier than setting P=0), i.e. holding the lock until the entry is
> > deactivated is basically just a safety measure for possible buggy code?
> 
> There are other paths that may be concurrent, such as the debugfs path
> (dumping the pasid table through debugfs). Therefore, keeping iommu-
> >lock in the driver is neither redundant nor buggy.

I see, that makes sense: clearing the present bit before iommu->lock is
unlocked should prevent such read-only walkers like debugfs from trying
to further walk down the path (i.e. to page tables) after iommu->lock is
unlocked.

> Thanks,
> baolu

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-20 13:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-13  3:00 [PATCH 0/3] iommu/vt-d: Ensure atomicity in context and PASID entry updates Lu Baolu
2026-01-13  3:00 ` [PATCH 1/3] iommu/vt-d: Use 128-bit atomic updates for context entries Lu Baolu
2026-01-13 19:27   ` Dmytro Maluka
2026-01-14  5:14     ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-14 10:55       ` Dmytro Maluka
2026-01-15  2:26         ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-15 13:12           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-14  7:54   ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-15  3:26     ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-15  5:59       ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-15 13:23         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-16  5:19           ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-16 14:33             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-13  3:00 ` [PATCH 2/3] iommu/vt-d: Clear Present bit before tearing down PASID entry Lu Baolu
2026-01-13 19:34   ` Dmytro Maluka
2026-01-14  5:38     ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-14 11:12       ` Dmytro Maluka
2026-01-15  2:45         ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-15 21:35           ` Dmytro Maluka
2026-01-16  6:06             ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-20 13:49               ` Dmytro Maluka [this message]
2026-01-14  7:32   ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-14  8:27     ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-15  5:49       ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-13  3:00 ` [PATCH 3/3] iommu/vt-d: Rework hitless PASID entry replacement Lu Baolu
2026-01-13 15:05   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-14  6:03     ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-13 19:27   ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-01-13 20:56     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-14  5:45     ` Baolu Lu
2026-01-14  7:26       ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-14 13:17         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-14 18:51           ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-01-14 19:07             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-15  5:44           ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-15 13:28             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-01-16  6:16               ` Tian, Kevin
2026-01-13 19:39   ` Dmytro Maluka
2026-01-13 20:06     ` Dmytro Maluka

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