From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
Cc: Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:26:21 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWkVLViKBgiVGgaI@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aWhFwzlqqrnBLLiK@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>
On Thu, Jan 15, 2026, Yan Zhao wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2026 at 07:26:44AM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > Ok, with the disclaimer that I hadn't actually looked at the patches in this
> > series before now...
> >
> > TDX absolutely should not be doing _anything_ with folios. I am *very* strongly
> > opposed to TDX assuming that memory is backed by refcounted "struct page", and
> > thus can use folios to glean the maximum mapping size.
> >
> > guest_memfd is _the_ owner of that information. guest_memfd needs to explicitly
> > _tell_ the rest of KVM what the maximum mapping size is; arch code should not
> > infer that size from a folio.
> >
> > And that code+behavior already exists in the form of kvm_gmem_mapping_order() and
> > its users, _and_ is plumbed all the way into tdx_mem_page_aug() as @level. IIUC,
> > the _only_ reason tdx_mem_page_aug() retrieves the page+folio is because
> > tdx_clflush_page() ultimately requires a "struct page". That is absolutely
> > ridiculous and not acceptable. CLFLUSH takes a virtual address, there is *zero*
> > reason tdh_mem_page_aug() needs to require/assume a struct page.
> Not really.
>
> Per my understanding, tdx_mem_page_aug() requires "struct page" (and checks
> folios for huge pages) because the SEAMCALL wrapper APIs are not currently built
> into KVM. Since they may have callers other than KVM, some sanity checking in
> case the caller does something incorrect seems necessary (e.g., in case the
> caller provides an out-of-range struct page or a page with !pfn_valid() PFN).
As a mentioned in my reply to Dave, I don't object to reasonable sanity checks.
> This is similar to "VM_WARN_ON_ONCE_FOLIO(!folio_test_large(folio), folio)" in
> __folio_split().
No, it's not. __folio_split() is verifying that the input for the exact one thing
it's doing, splitting a huge folio, matches what the function is being asked to do.
TDX requiring guest_memfd to back everything with struct page, and to only use
single, huge folios to map hugepages into the guest is making completely unnecessary
about guest_memfd and KVM MMU implementation details.
> With tdx_mem_page_aug() ensuring pages validity and contiguity,
It absolutely does not.
- If guest_memfd unmaps the direct map[*], CLFLUSH will fault and panic the
kernel.
- If the PFN isn't backed by struct page, tdx_mem_page_aug() will hit a NULL
pointer deref.
- If the PFN is back by struct page, but the page is managed by something other
than guest_memfd or core MM, all bets are off.
[*] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260114134510.1835-1-kalyazin@amazon.com
> invoking local static function tdx_clflush_page() page-per-page looks good to
> me. Alternatively, we could convert tdx_clflush_page() to
> tdx_clflush_cache_range(), which receives VA.
>
> However, I'm not sure if my understanding is correct now, especially since it
> seems like everyone thinks the SEAMCALL wrapper APIs should trust the caller,
> assuming they are KVM-specific.
It's all kernel code. Implying that KVM is somehow untrusted is absurd.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-15 16:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-06 10:16 [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07 9:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 3:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12 2:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14 1:48 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 1:00 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 8:35 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 6:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 6:15 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 5:55 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 7:54 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27 3:40 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19 1:28 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 8:35 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 8:49 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22 6:27 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22 6:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 0:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 6:42 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21 1:54 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22 7:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 7:30 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22 7:49 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07 9:03 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09 9:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12 1:39 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 2:12 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13 6:10 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14 9:32 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 19:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 0:33 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 1:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 9:23 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15 3:08 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 0:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19 5:53 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 9:18 ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 17:45 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15 1:41 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-01-16 0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25 ` Yan Zhao
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