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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	 Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2026 09:14:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aWpyA0_r_yVewnfx@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <435b8d81-b4de-4933-b0ae-357dea311488@intel.com>

On Fri, Jan 16, 2026, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 1/14/26 16:19, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> >> 'struct page' gives us two things: One is the type safety, but I'm
> >> pretty flexible on how that's implemented as long as it's not a raw u64
> >> getting passed around everywhere.
> > I don't necessarily disagree on the type safety front, but for the specific code
> > in question, any type safety is a facade.  Everything leading up to the TDX code
> > is dealing with raw PFNs and/or PTEs.  Then the TDX code assumes that the PFN
> > being mapped into the guest is backed by a struct page, and that the folio size
> > is consistent with @level, without _any_ checks whatsover.  This is providing
> > the exact opposite of safety.
> > 
> >   static int tdx_mem_page_aug(struct kvm *kvm, gfn_t gfn,
> > 			    enum pg_level level, kvm_pfn_t pfn)
> >   {
> > 	int tdx_level = pg_level_to_tdx_sept_level(level);
> > 	struct kvm_tdx *kvm_tdx = to_kvm_tdx(kvm);
> > 	struct page *page = pfn_to_page(pfn);    <==================
> 
> I of course agree that this is fundamentally unsafe, it's just not
> necessarily bad code.
> 
> I hope we both agree that this could be made _more_ safe by, for
> instance, making sure the page is in a zone, pfn_valid(), and a few more
> things.
>
> In a perfect world, these conversions would happen at a well-defined
> layer (KVM=>TDX) and in relatively few places. That layer transition is
> where the sanity checks happen. It's super useful to have:
> 
> struct page *kvm_pfn_to_tdx_private_page(kvm_pfn_t pfn)
> {
> 	struct page *page = pfn_to_page(pfn);
> #ifdef DEBUG
> 	WARN_ON_ONCE(pfn_valid(pfn));
> 	// page must be from a "file"???
> 	WARN_ON_ONCE(!page_mapping(page));
> 	WARN_ON_ONCE(...);
> #endif
> 	return page;
> }
> 
> *EVEN* if the pfn_to_page() itself is unsafe, and even if the WARN()s
> are compiled out, this explicitly lays out the assumptions and it means
> someone reading TDX code has an easier idea comprehending it.

I object to the existence of those assumptions.  Why the blazes does TDX care
how KVM and guest_memfd manages memory?  If you want to assert that the pfn is
compatible with TDX, then by all means.  But I am NOT accepting any more KVM code
that assumes TDX memory is backed by refcounted struct page.  If I had been paying
more attention when the initial TDX series landed, I would have NAK'd that too.

tdh_mem_page_aug() is just an absurdly slow way of writing a PTE.  It doesn't
_need_ the pfn to be backed a struct page, at all.  IMO, what you're asking for
is akin to adding a pile of unnecessary assumptions to e.g. __set_spte() and
__kvm_tdp_mmu_write_spte().  No thanks.

> It's also not a crime to do the *same* checking on kvm_pfn_t and not
> have a type transition. I just like the idea of changing the type so
> that the transition line is clear and the concept is carried (forced,
> even) through the layers of helpers.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-16 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-06 10:16 [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 01/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 21:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-07  9:12     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 16:39       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-08 19:05         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-08 19:24           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-09 16:21             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09  3:08         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 18:29           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  2:41             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:50               ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  1:48                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:18 ` [PATCH v3 02/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  1:00   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16  8:35     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:10       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 11:22         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  6:18           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  6:15         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 11:22   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  5:55     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 03/24] x86/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate huge pages Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 04/24] x86/tdx: Introduce tdx_quirk_reset_folio() to reset private " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 05/24] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_reclaim() to support " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 06/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 22:49   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  7:54     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-26 16:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-27  3:40         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 19:51           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 07/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Introduce split_external_spte() under write mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:20 ` [PATCH v3 08/24] KVM: TDX: Enable huge page splitting " Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 09/24] KVM: x86: Reject splitting huge pages under shared mmu_lock in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 10/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 11/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_cross_boundary_leafs() Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 12:25   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-16 23:39     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:28       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19  8:35         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19  8:49           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 10:11             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:40               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:06                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 12:32                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-20 17:51         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-20 17:57       ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-20 18:02         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-22  6:33           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29 14:51             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:21 ` [PATCH v3 12/24] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/24] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/24] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2026-01-16  0:21   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  6:42     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/24] KVM: x86: Split cross-boundary mirror leafs for KVM_SET_MEMORY_ATTRIBUTES Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/24] KVM: guest_memfd: Split for punch hole and private-to-shared conversion Yan Zhao
2026-01-28 22:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 17/24] KVM: TDX: Get/Put DPAMT page pair only when mapping size is 4KB Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 18/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add loud warning when tdx_pamt_put() fails Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 19/24] KVM: x86: Introduce per-VM external cache for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-21  1:54   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-21 17:30     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-21 19:39       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-21 23:01       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:03       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22  7:30         ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-22  7:49           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-22 10:33             ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 20/24] KVM: TDX: Implement per-VM external cache for splitting in TDX Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:23 ` [PATCH v3 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for the new S-EPT page for splitting Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 22/24] x86/tdx: Add/Remove DPAMT pages for guest private memory to demote Yan Zhao
2026-01-19 10:52   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-19 11:11     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 23/24] x86/tdx: Pass guest memory's PFN info to demote for updating pamt_refcount Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 24/24] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Yan Zhao
2026-01-06 17:47 ` [PATCH v3 00/24] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-06 21:26   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 21:38     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-06 22:04       ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-06 23:43         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-07  9:03           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-08 20:11             ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-09  9:18               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-09 16:12                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 17:16                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-09 18:07                   ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-12  1:39                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12  2:12                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-12 19:56                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-13  6:10                           ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-13 16:40                             ` Vishal Annapurve
2026-01-14  9:32                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-07 19:22           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-07 20:27             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-12 20:15           ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14  0:33             ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14  1:24               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14  9:23                 ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-14 15:26                   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-14 18:45                     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-15  3:08                       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 18:13                         ` Ackerley Tng
2026-01-14 18:56                     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  0:19                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 15:45                         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-16 16:31                           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:58                             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-19  5:53                               ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-30 15:32                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03  9:18                                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 17:01                                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 16:57                         ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 17:14                           ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-01-16 17:45                             ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-16 19:59                               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 22:25                                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-15  1:41                     ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-15 16:26                       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16  0:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-16 11:25   ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-16 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-19  1:25       ` Yan Zhao

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