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From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <x86@kernel.org>,
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	<kas@kernel.org>, <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	<vishal.l.verma@intel.com>, Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2026 22:55:54 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aXt0+lRvpvf5knKP@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e2245231-ee39-40aa-bfdc-e43419fa30f4@intel.com>

On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 03:03:14PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>On 1/23/26 06:55, Chao Gao wrote:
>> P-SEAMLDR is another component alongside the TDX module within the
>> protected SEAM range. P-SEAMLDR can update the TDX module at runtime.
>> Software can talk with P-SEAMLDR via SEAMCALLs with the bit 63 of RAX
>> (leaf number) set to 1 (a.k.a P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs).
>
>This text kinda bugs me. It's OK, but needs improvement.
>
>First, don't explain the ABI in the changelog. Nobody cares that it's
>bit 63.
>
>
>Background:
>
>	The TDX architecture uses the "SEAMCALL" instruction to
>	communicate with SEAM mode software. Right now, the only SEAM
>	mode software that the kernel communicates with is the TDX
>	module. But, there are actually some components that run in SEAM
>	mode but that are separate from the TDX module: that SEAM
>	loaders. Right now, the only component that communicates with
>	them is the BIOS which loads the TDX module itself at boot. But,
>	to support updating the TDX module, the kernel now needs to be
>	able to talk to one of the the SEAM loaders: the Persistent
>	loader or "P-SEAMLDR".

Thanks. This is much clearer than my version.

One tiny nit: NP-SEAMLDR isn't SEAM mode software. It is an authenticated code
module (ACM).

>
>Then do this part:
>
>> P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs differ from SEAMCALLs of the TDX module in terms of
>> error codes and the handling of the current VMCS.
>Except I don't even know how the TDX module handles the current VMCS.
>That probably needs to be in there. Or, it should be brought up in the
>patch itself that implements this. Or, uplifted to the cover letter.

My logic was:

1. The kernel communicates with P-SEAMLDR via SEAMCALL, just like with the TDX
   Module.
2. But P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs and TDX Module SEAMCALLs are slightly different.

So we need some tweaks to the low-level helpers to add separate wrappers for
P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs.

To me, without mentioning #2, these tweaks in this patch (for separate wrappers
in the next patch) aren't justified.

<snip>

>>  static __always_inline u64 sc_retry(sc_func_t func, u64 fn,
>>  			   struct tdx_module_args *args)
>>  {
>> +	u64 retry_code = TDX_RND_NO_ENTROPY;
>>  	int retry = RDRAND_RETRY_LOOPS;
>>  	u64 ret;
>>  
>> +	if (unlikely(is_seamldr_call(fn)))
>> +		retry_code = SEAMLDR_RND_NO_ENTROPY;
>
>(un)likey() has two uses:
>
>1. It's in performance critical code and compilers have been
>   demonstrated to be generating bad code.
>2. It's in code where it's not obvious what the fast path is
>   and (un)likey() makes the code more readable.
>
>Which one is this?

I think #2 although I am happy to drop "unlikely".

>
>Second, this is nitpicky, but I'd rather this be:
>
>	if (is_seamldr_call(fn))
>		retry_code = SEAMLDR_RND_NO_ENTROPY;
>	else
>		retry_code = TDX_RND_NO_ENTROPY;

Will do.

<snip>

>> +static inline void seamldr_err(u64 fn, u64 err, struct tdx_module_args *args)
>> +{
>> +	/*
>> +	 * Note: P-SEAMLDR leaf numbers are printed in hex as they have
>> +	 * bit 63 set, making them hard to read and understand if printed
>> +	 * in decimal
>> +	 */
>> +	pr_err("P-SEAMLDR (%llx) failed: %#016llx\n", fn, err);
>> +}
>
>Oh, lovely.
>
>Didn't you just propose changing the module SEAMCALL leaf numbers in
>decimal? Isn't it a little crazy to do one in decimal and the other in hex?

Yes, that's crazy. I'll just reuse seamcall_err(), so leaf numbers will be
printed in hex for both the TDX Module and P-SEAMLDR

>
>I'd really rather just see the TDX documentation changed.

I'll submit a request for TDX documentation to display leaf numbers in both hex
and decimal.

>
>But, honestly, I'd probably just leave the thing in hex, drop this hunk,
>and go thwack someone that writes TDX module documentation instead.
>
>>  static __always_inline int sc_retry_prerr(sc_func_t func,
>>  					  sc_err_func_t err_func,
>>  					  u64 fn, struct tdx_module_args *args)
>> @@ -96,4 +119,7 @@ static __always_inline int sc_retry_prerr(sc_func_t func,
>>  #define seamcall_prerr_ret(__fn, __args)					\
>>  	sc_retry_prerr(__seamcall_ret, seamcall_err_ret, (__fn), (__args))
>>  
>> +#define seamldr_prerr(__fn, __args)						\
>> +	sc_retry_prerr(__seamcall, seamldr_err, (__fn), (__args))

This can be dropped if we don't need to add seamldr_err().

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-29 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23 14:55 [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:01   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:28   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 16:26   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  5:44     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] x86/virt/tdx: Use %# prefix for hex values in SEAMCALL error messages Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:34   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:16     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 15:18   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] x86/virt/tdx: Move low level SEAMCALL helpers out of <asm/tdx.h> Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:37   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:42     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 16:31       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:02         ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:03           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 16:37   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  8:04     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] coco/tdx-host: Introduce a "tdx_host" device Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:52   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 16:53     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28  3:24   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-29  7:26     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose TDX Module version Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:54   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 17:01   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:07     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29  7:38   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:05   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  5:58   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:03   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  9:46     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-29 16:08       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:55     ` Chao Gao [this message]
2026-01-29 16:59       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  6:38   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:04   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30  8:08     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:23       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:36   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:21     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:18       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 12:15         ` Chao Gao
2026-02-03 15:41           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 16:12             ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 23:54             ` Chao Gao
2026-02-05 16:29               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05 16:37                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Retrieve P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  6:50   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:54   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30  4:01     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 16:35       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02  0:16         ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 13:55     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:06       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:57   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:30     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose P-SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:56   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:07   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  0:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 14:44     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:02       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] coco/tdx-host: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:00   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:30   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:07   ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-06 17:15   ` Xing, Cedric
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Block TDX Module updates if any CPU is offline Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:16   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  0:31   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:17   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:23   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27  3:21   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 11:28     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 22:33       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28  4:03   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:56     ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02  3:08   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:01   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:31   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:08   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:42   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:31   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:43   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Log TDX Module update failures Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:45   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:11   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:52   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX per-CPU initialization after updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:53   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:32   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:54   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:07   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:33   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] x86/virt/tdx: Enable TDX Module runtime updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:14   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-04 10:03     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:41   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Extend sigstruct to 16KB Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27  3:58   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 23:01   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:25     ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 11:57       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] x86/virt/tdx: Avoid updates during update-sensitive operations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:23   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] coco/tdx-host: Set and document TDX Module update expectations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-26 22:14   ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-27 12:17     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-27 17:23       ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Sagi Shahar
2026-01-29  1:51   ` Chao Gao

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