From: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2026 21:21:25 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aXywVcqbXodADg4a@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <301f8156-bafe-440a-8628-3bf8fae74464@intel.com>
On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 03:36:49PM -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
>On 1/23/26 06:55, Chao Gao wrote:
>...
>> +static __maybe_unused int seamldr_call(u64 fn, struct tdx_module_args *args)
>> +{
>> + unsigned long flags;
>> + u64 vmcs;
>> + int ret;
>> +
>> + if (!is_seamldr_call(fn))
>> + return -EINVAL;
>
>Why is this here? We shouldn't be silently papering over kernel bugs.
>This is a WARN_ON() at *best*, but it also begs the question of how a
>non-SEAMLDR call even got here.
Only SEAMLDR calls can get here. I will make it a WARN_ON_ONCE().
>
>> + /*
>> + * SEAMRET from P-SEAMLDR invalidates the current VMCS. Save/restore
>> + * the VMCS across P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs to avoid clobbering KVM state.
>> + * Disable interrupts as KVM is allowed to do VMREAD/VMWRITE in IRQ
>> + * context (but not NMI context).
>> + */
>
>I think you mean:
>
> WARN_ON(in_nmi());
This function only disables interrupts, not NMIs. Kirill questioned whether any
KVM operations might execute from NMI context and do VMREAD/VMWRITE. If such
operations exist and an NMI interrupts seamldr_call(), they could encounter
an invalid current VMCS.
The problematic scenario is:
seamldr_call() KVM code in NMI handler
1. vmptrst // save current-vmcs
2. seamcall // clobber current-vmcs
3. // NMI handler start
call into some KVM code and do vmread/vmwrite
// consume __invalid__ current-vmcs
// NMI handler end
4. vmptrld // restore current-vmcs
The comment clarifies that KVM doesn't do VMREAD/VMWRITE during NMI handling.
>
>> + local_irq_save(flags);
>> +
>> + asm goto("1: vmptrst %0\n\t"
>> + _ASM_EXTABLE(1b, %l[error])
>> + : "=m" (vmcs) : : "cc" : error);
>
>I'd much rather this be wrapped up in a helper function. We shouldn't
>have to look at the horrors of inline assembly like this.
>
>But this *REALLY* wants the KVM folks to look at it. One argument is
>that with the inline assembly this is nice and self-contained. The other
>argument is that this completely ignores all existing KVM infrastructure
>and is parallel VMCS management.
Exactly. Sean suggested this approach [*]. He prefers inline assembly rather than
adding new, inferior wrappers
*: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-coco/aHEYtGgA3aIQ7A3y@google.com/
>
>I'd be shocked if this is the one and only place in the whole kernel
>that can unceremoniously zap VMX state.
>
>I'd *bet* that you don't really need to do the vmptrld and that KVM can
>figure it out because it can vmptrld on demand anyway. Something along
>the lines of:
>
> local_irq_disable();
> list_for_each(handwaving...)
> vmcs_clear();
> ret = seamldr_prerr(fn, args);
> local_irq_enable();
>
>Basically, zap this CPU's vmcs state and then make KVM reload it at some
>later time.
The idea is feasible. But just calling vmcs_clear() won't work. We need to
reset all the tracking state associated with each VMCS. We should call
vmclear_local_loaded_vmcss() instead, similar to what's done before VMXOFF.
>
>I'm sure Sean and Paolo will tell me if I'm crazy.
To me, this approach needs more work since we need to either move
vmclear_local_loaded_vmcss() to the kernel or allow KVM to register a callback.
I don't think it's as straightforward as just doing the save/restore.
>
>> diff --git a/drivers/virt/coco/tdx-host/Kconfig b/drivers/virt/coco/tdx-host/Kconfig
>> index e58bad148a35..6a9199e6c2c6 100644
>> --- a/drivers/virt/coco/tdx-host/Kconfig
>> +++ b/drivers/virt/coco/tdx-host/Kconfig
>> @@ -8,3 +8,13 @@ config TDX_HOST_SERVICES
>>
>> Say y or m if enabling support for confidential virtual machine
>> support (CONFIG_INTEL_TDX_HOST). The module is called tdx_host.ko
>> +
>> +config INTEL_TDX_MODULE_UPDATE
>> + bool "Intel TDX module runtime update"
>> + depends on TDX_HOST_SERVICES
>> + help
>> + This enables the kernel to support TDX module runtime update. This
>> + allows the admin to update the TDX module to another compatible
>> + version without the need to terminate running TDX guests.
>
>... as opposed to the method that the kernel has to update the module
>without terminating guests? ;)
I will reduce this to:
This enables the kernel to update the TDX Module to another compatible
version.
>
>> + If unsure, say N.
>
>Let's call this:
>
> config
>INTEL_TDX_ONLY_DISABLE_THIS_IF_YOU_HATE_SECURITY_AND_IF_YOU_DO_WHY_ARE_YOU_RUNNING_TDX?
>
>Can we have question marks in config symbol names? ;)
>
>But, seriously, what the heck? Who would disable security updates for
>their confidential computing infrastructure? Is this some kind of
>intelligence test for our users so that if someone disables it we can
>just laugh at them?
Looks like I failed that test! ;) I'll change it to default to 'y' and
recommend 'Y' if unsure.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-01-30 13:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-23 14:55 [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:01 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 1:28 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 16:26 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 5:44 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] x86/virt/tdx: Use %# prefix for hex values in SEAMCALL error messages Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 1:34 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:16 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 15:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] x86/virt/tdx: Move low level SEAMCALL helpers out of <asm/tdx.h> Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 1:37 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:42 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 16:31 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:02 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:03 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 16:37 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 8:04 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] coco/tdx-host: Introduce a "tdx_host" device Chao Gao
2026-01-26 9:52 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 16:53 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 3:24 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-29 7:26 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose TDX Module version Chao Gao
2026-01-26 9:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 3:48 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 17:01 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:07 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 7:38 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:05 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 5:58 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:03 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 9:46 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-29 16:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:55 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:59 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:12 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 6:38 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:04 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 8:08 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:23 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:36 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:21 ` Chao Gao [this message]
2026-01-30 16:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 12:15 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-03 15:41 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 16:12 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 23:54 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-05 16:29 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05 16:37 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Retrieve P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 6:50 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:54 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 4:01 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 16:35 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02 0:16 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 13:55 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:06 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:57 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:30 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose P-SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 9:56 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 3:07 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29 0:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 14:44 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:02 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] coco/tdx-host: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:00 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 3:30 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:07 ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-06 17:15 ` Xing, Cedric
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Block TDX Module updates if any CPU is offline Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:16 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 0:31 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:17 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27 3:21 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 11:28 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 22:33 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 4:03 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:56 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 3:08 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:28 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 6:01 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:31 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 6:08 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 6:31 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Log TDX Module update failures Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:45 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:11 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:52 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX per-CPU initialization after updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:53 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:32 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:07 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:33 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] x86/virt/tdx: Enable TDX Module runtime updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:14 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-04 10:03 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:41 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Extend sigstruct to 16KB Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27 3:58 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 23:01 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:25 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 11:57 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] x86/virt/tdx: Avoid updates during update-sensitive operations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] coco/tdx-host: Set and document TDX Module update expectations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:28 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-26 22:14 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-27 12:17 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-27 17:23 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Sagi Shahar
2026-01-29 1:51 ` Chao Gao
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