From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Shubhang Kaushik <shubhang@os.amperecomputing.com>
Cc: Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
rostedt@goodmis.org, Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Adam Li <adamli@os.amperecomputing.com>
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH] tick/nohz: Fix wrong NOHZ idle CPU state
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 14:11:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aY8jBnJgnpKdUpD4@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dc75bfd7-eb4b-0f1d-057a-92ef805521e3@os.amperecomputing.com>
Le Thu, Feb 12, 2026 at 12:04:11PM -0800, Shubhang Kaushik a écrit :
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2026, Shubhang Kaushik wrote:
>
> > > Because you rely on dynamic placement of isolated tasks throughout
> > > isolated
> > > CPUs by the scheduler.
> > >
> > > But nohz_full is designed for running only one task per isolated CPU
> > > without
> > > any disturbance. And migration is a significant disturbance. This is why
> > > nohz_full tries not to be too smart and assumes that task placement is
> > > entirely
> > > within the hands of the user.
> > >
> > > So I have to ask, what prevents you from using static task placement in
> > > your
> > > workload?
> >
> > Actually, the llama-batched-bench results I shared already included
> > static affinity testing via numactl -C.
>
> What I mean by that is even when tasks are strictly pinned to individual
> cores, the performance gap remains.
>
> IIUC, the current implementation assumes tick-stop and idle-entry are
> coupled. While this holds for standard NOHZ, nohz_full decouples them,
> causing idle CPUs to be omitted from nohz.idle_cpus_mask.
>
> This hides idle capacity from the NOHZ idle balancer, forcing housekeeping
> tasks onto active cores. By decoupling these transitions in the code, we
> ensure accurate state accounting.
You mean housekeeping tasks are moved to isolated CPUs? With proper
isolation setting (ie: domain + nohz_full) this shouldn't happen.
Thanks.
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-13 13:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-02-04 0:49 [RESEND PATCH] tick/nohz: Fix wrong NOHZ idle CPU state Shubhang Kaushik
2026-02-12 14:33 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-12 19:36 ` Shubhang Kaushik
2026-02-12 20:04 ` Shubhang Kaushik
2026-02-13 13:11 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-02-13 12:56 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-02-13 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter (Ampere)
2026-03-11 11:06 ` Frederic Weisbecker
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