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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	 Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	 Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
	Sagi Shahar <sagis@google.com>,
	 Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	 Isaku Yamahata <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 00/45] TDX: Dynamic PAMT + S-EPT Hugepage
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2026 06:38:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYNaA7Td23xKHoHK@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aXuVR0kq_K1TYwlR@char.us.oracle.com>

On Thu, Jan 29, 2026, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 05:14:32PM -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > This is a combined series of Dynamic PAMT (from Rick), and S-EPT hugepage
> > support (from Yan).  Except for some last minute tweaks to the DPAMT array
> > args stuff, a version of this based on a Google-internal kernel has been
> > moderately well tested (thanks Vishal!).  But overall it's still firmly RFC
> > as I have deliberately NOT addressed others feedback from v4 of DPAMT and v3
> 
> What does PAMT stand for? Is there a design document somewhere?
> 
> > of S-EPT hugepage (mostly lack of cycles), and there's at least one patch in
> > here that shouldn't be merged as-is (the quick-and-dirty switch from struct
> > page to raw pfns).
> > 
> > My immediate goal is to solidify the designs for DPAMT and S-EPT hugepage.
> > Given the substantial design changes I am proposing, posting an end-to-end
> > RFC seemed like a much better method than trying to communicate my thoughts
> > piecemeal.
> > 
> > As for landing these series, I think the fastest overall approach would be
> > to land patches 1-4 asap (tangentially related cleanups and fixes), agree
> 
> Should they be split out as non-RFC then?

Yeah, I'll do that soonish.  I posted the kitchen sink so that people could
review the entire thing without having to chase down 4+ series/patches.

> > on a design (hopefully), and then hand control back to Rick and Yan to polish
> > their respective series for merge.
> > 
> > I also want to land the VMXON series[*] before DPAMT, because there's a nasty
> > wart where KVM wires up a DPAMT-specific hook even if DPAMT is disabled,
> > because KVM's ordering needs to set the vendor hooks before tdx_sysinfo is
> > ready.  Decoupling VMXON from KVM solves that problem, because it lets the
> > TDX subsystem parse sysinfo before TDX is loaded.
> > 
> > Beyond that dependency, I am comfortable landing both DPAMT and S-EPT hugepage
> > support without any other prereqs, i.e. without an in-tree way to light up
> > the S-EPT hugepage code due to lack of hugepage support in guest_memfd.
> 
> Can there be test-cases? Or simple code posted for QEMU which is the
> tool that 99% of kernel engineers use?

No?  The core limitation is that KVM doesn't yet support hugepages for private
memory.  No amount userspace code can overcome that limitation.

We can and do have tests and VMM support, but it's all out-of-tree (for now).
All I'm saying here is that I'm ok landing the S-EPT hugepage code in advance of
guest_memfd hugepage support, e.g. so that we don't end up in a stalemate due to
cyclical dependecies, or one big megaseries.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-04 14:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-29  1:14 [RFC PATCH v5 00/45] TDX: Dynamic PAMT + S-EPT Hugepage Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/45] x86/tdx: Use pg_level in TDX APIs, not the TDX-Module's 0-based level Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Update iter->old_spte if cmpxchg64 on mirror SPTE "fails" Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-29 22:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:48       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03  8:48   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-03 10:30   ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-03 20:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 21:34       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/45] KVM: TDX: Account all non-transient page allocations for per-TD structures Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 10:36   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/45] KVM: x86: Make "external SPTE" ops that can fail RET0 static calls Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-30  1:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30 17:32       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 10:44         ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-04  1:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/45] KVM: TDX: Drop kvm_x86_ops.link_external_spt(), use .set_external_spte() for all Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30 23:55   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 10:19   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-03 20:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  6:41       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 23:14         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-18 19:37       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-20 17:36         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Fold set_external_spte_present() into its sole caller Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  7:38   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 23:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:29       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Plumb the SPTE _pointer_ into the TDP MMU's handle_changed_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Propagate mirror SPTE removal to S-EPT in handle_changed_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  9:06   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05  2:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05  5:39       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 22:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:17           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 17:41             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10 10:54               ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-10 19:52                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  2:16                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-14  0:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/45] KVM: x86: Rework .free_external_spt() into .reclaim_external_sp() Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  9:45   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05  7:04     ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 22:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:30         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/45] x86/tdx: Move all TDX error defines into <asm/shared/tdx_errno.h> Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 18:13   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 11/45] x86/tdx: Add helpers to check return status codes Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 18:58   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 20:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30  0:36       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 20:32         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 12/45] x86/virt/tdx: Simplify tdmr_get_pamt_sz() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 13/45] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate page bitmap for Dynamic PAMT Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 14/45] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate reference counters for PAMT memory Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 15/45] x86/virt/tdx: Improve PAMT refcounts allocation for sparse memory Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 16/45] x86/virt/tdx: Add tdx_alloc/free_control_page() helpers Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30  1:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05  6:11   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 22:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:32       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-10 17:44   ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10 22:15     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-10 22:19       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10 22:46         ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-10 22:50           ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10 23:02             ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-11  0:50     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 17/45] x86/virt/tdx: Optimize " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 18/45] KVM: TDX: Allocate PAMT memory for TD and vCPU control structures Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 19/45] KVM: Allow owner of kvm_mmu_memory_cache to provide a custom page allocator Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 10:56   ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-03 20:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 20:33       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 21:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 21:29       ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-04  2:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  6:45           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 20/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Allocate/free S-EPT pages using tdx_{alloc,free}_control_page() Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 11:16   ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-03 20:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 21:18       ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-06  9:48   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 15:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-09  9:25       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 23:20         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10  8:30           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-10  0:07         ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10  1:40           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 10:41       ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-09 22:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10 10:54           ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-09 23:40       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10  0:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 21/45] x86/tdx: Add APIs to support get/put of DPAMT entries from KVM, under spinlock Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 22/45] KVM: TDX: Get/put PAMT pages when (un)mapping private memory Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 10:20   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 16:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 19:27       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-06 23:18         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 23:19           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-09 10:33           ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-09 17:08             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-09 21:05               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 23/45] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Dynamic PAMT Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 24/45] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX's " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 25/45] *** DO NOT MERGE *** x86/virt/tdx: Don't assume guest memory is backed by struct page Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 26/45] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 27/45] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 28/45] x86/virt/tdx: Extend "reset page" quirk to support " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 29/45] x86/virt/tdx: Get/Put DPAMT page pair if and only if mapping size is 4KB Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 30/45] x86/virt/tdx: Add API to demote a 2MB mapping to 512 4KB mappings Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 31/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Prevent hugepage promotion for mirror roots in fault path Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 32/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Plumb the old_spte into kvm_x86_ops.set_external_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 33/45] KVM: TDX: Hoist tdx_sept_remove_private_spte() above set_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 34/45] KVM: TDX: Handle removal of leaf SPTEs in .set_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 35/45] KVM: TDX: Add helper to handle mapping leaf SPTE into S-EPT Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 36/45] KVM: TDX: Move S-EPT page demotion TODO to tdx_sept_set_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 37/45] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 10:07   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 16:09     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  9:49       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 38/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Add Dynamic PAMT support in TDP MMU for vCPU-induced page split Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 39/45] KVM: TDX: Add core support for splitting/demoting 2MiB S-EPT to 4KiB Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 40/45] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 41/45] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 15:32   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 42/45] KVM: guest_memfd: Add helpers to get start/end gfns give gmem+slot+pgoff Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 43/45] *** DO NOT MERGE *** KVM: guest_memfd: Add pre-zap arch hook for shared<=>private conversion Sean Christopherson
2026-02-13  7:23   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 44/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for splitting S-EPT hugepages on conversion Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 15:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  8:43     ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-13 15:09       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 10:14   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 45/45] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 17:13 ` [RFC PATCH v5 00/45] TDX: Dynamic PAMT + S-EPT Hugepage Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2026-01-29 17:17   ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-04 14:38   ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-02-04 15:09     ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 15:53       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05 16:01         ` Dave Hansen

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