From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2026 08:29:26 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYTFZv9Mf_FqWM_k@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aYKKnf7K3lRdUcxl@intel.com>
On Wed, Feb 04, 2026, Chao Gao wrote:
> >On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:23 AM Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/30/26 00:08, Chao Gao wrote:
> >> > AFAIK, this is a CPU implementation issue. The actual requirement is to
> >> > evict (flush and invalidate) all VMCSs __cached in SEAM mode__, but big
> >> > cores implement this by evicting the __entire__ VMCS cache. So, the
> >> > current VMCS is invalidated and cleared.
> >>
> >> But why is this a P-SEAMLDR thing and not a TDX module thing?
> >
> >My guess is that it's because the P-SEAMLDR code loads and prepares the new TDX-
> >Module by constructing the VMCS used for SEAMCALL using direct writes to memory
> >(unless that TDX behavior has changed in the last few years). And so it needs
> >to ensure that in-memory representation is synchronized with the VMCS cache.
> >
> >Hmm, but that doesn't make sense _if_ it really truly is SEAMRET that does the VMCS
> >cache invalidation, because flushing the VMCS cache would ovewrite the in-memory
> >state.
>
> My understanding is:
>
> 1. SEAMCALL/SEAMRET use VMCSs.
>
> 2. P-SEAMLDR is single-threaded (likely for simplicity). So, it uses a _single_
> global VMCS and only one CPU can call P-SEAMLDR calls at a time.
>
> 3. After SEAMRET from P-SEAMLDR, _if_ the global VMCS isn't flushed, other CPUs
> cannot enter P-SEAMLDR because the global VMCS would be corrupted. (note the
> global VMCS is cached by the original CPU).
>
> 4. To make P-SEAMLDR callable on all CPUs, SEAMRET instruction flush VMCSs.
> The flush cannot be performed by the host VMM since the global VMCS is not
> visible to it. P-SEAMLDR cannot do it either because SEAMRET is its final
> instruction and requires a valid VMCS.
No, this isn't the explanation. I found the explanation in the pseudocode for
SEAMRET. The "successful VM-Entry" path says this:
current-VMCS = current-VMCS.VMCS-link-pointer
IF inP_SEAMLDR == 1; THEN
If current-VMCS != FFFFFFFF_FFFFFFFFH; THEN
Ensure data for VMCS referenced by current-VMC is in memory
Initialize implementation-specific data in all VMCS referenced by current-VMCS
Set launch state of VMCS referenced by current-VMCS to “clear”
current-VMCS = FFFFFFFF_FFFFFFFFH
FI;
inP_SEAMLDR = 0
FI;
I.e. my guess about firmware (probably XuCode?) doing direct writes was correct,
I just guessed wrong on which VMCS. Or rather, I didn't guess "all".
> The TDX Module has per-CPU VMCSs, so it doesn't has this problem.
>
> I'll check if SEAM ISA architects can join to explain this in more detail.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-05 16:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-23 14:55 [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:01 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 1:28 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 16:26 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 5:44 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] x86/virt/tdx: Use %# prefix for hex values in SEAMCALL error messages Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 1:34 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:16 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 15:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] x86/virt/tdx: Move low level SEAMCALL helpers out of <asm/tdx.h> Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 1:37 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:42 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 16:31 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:02 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:03 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 16:37 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 8:04 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] coco/tdx-host: Introduce a "tdx_host" device Chao Gao
2026-01-26 9:52 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 16:53 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 3:24 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-29 7:26 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose TDX Module version Chao Gao
2026-01-26 9:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 3:48 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 17:01 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:07 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 7:38 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:05 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 5:58 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:03 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 9:46 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-29 16:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:55 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:59 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:12 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 6:38 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:04 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 8:08 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:23 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:36 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:21 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:18 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 12:15 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-03 15:41 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 16:12 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 23:54 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-05 16:29 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-02-05 16:37 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Retrieve P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 6:50 ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:54 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 4:01 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 16:35 ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02 0:16 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 13:55 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:06 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:57 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:30 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose P-SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 9:56 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 3:07 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29 0:08 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 14:44 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:02 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] coco/tdx-host: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:00 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 3:30 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:07 ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-06 17:15 ` Xing, Cedric
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Block TDX Module updates if any CPU is offline Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:16 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 0:31 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:17 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27 3:21 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 11:28 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 22:33 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 4:03 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:56 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 3:08 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:28 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 6:01 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:31 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 6:08 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:42 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 6:31 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Log TDX Module update failures Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:45 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:11 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:52 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX per-CPU initialization after updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:53 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:32 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:54 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:07 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:33 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] x86/virt/tdx: Enable TDX Module runtime updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:14 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-04 10:03 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02 7:41 ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Extend sigstruct to 16KB Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27 3:58 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 23:01 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:25 ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 11:57 ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] x86/virt/tdx: Avoid updates during update-sensitive operations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:23 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] coco/tdx-host: Set and document TDX Module update expectations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:28 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-26 22:14 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-27 12:17 ` Chao Gao
2026-01-27 17:23 ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Sagi Shahar
2026-01-29 1:51 ` Chao Gao
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