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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Chao Gao <chao.gao@intel.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-coco@lists.linux.dev,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,  reinette.chatre@intel.com,
	ira.weiny@intel.com, kai.huang@intel.com,
	 dan.j.williams@intel.com, yilun.xu@linux.intel.com,
	sagis@google.com,  vannapurve@google.com, paulmck@kernel.org,
	nik.borisov@suse.com,  zhenzhong.duan@intel.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com, kas@kernel.org,
	 dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, vishal.l.verma@intel.com,
	 Farrah Chen <farrah.chen@intel.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2026 08:29:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYTFZv9Mf_FqWM_k@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aYKKnf7K3lRdUcxl@intel.com>

On Wed, Feb 04, 2026, Chao Gao wrote:
> >On Fri, Jan 30, 2026 at 8:23 AM Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/30/26 00:08, Chao Gao wrote:
> >> > AFAIK, this is a CPU implementation issue. The actual requirement is to
> >> > evict (flush and invalidate) all VMCSs __cached in SEAM mode__, but big
> >> > cores implement this by evicting the __entire__ VMCS cache. So, the
> >> > current VMCS is invalidated and cleared.
> >>
> >> But why is this a P-SEAMLDR thing and not a TDX module thing?
> >
> >My guess is that it's because the P-SEAMLDR code loads and prepares the new TDX-
> >Module by constructing the VMCS used for SEAMCALL using direct writes to memory
> >(unless that TDX behavior has changed in the last few years).  And so it needs
> >to ensure that in-memory representation is synchronized with the VMCS cache.
> >
> >Hmm, but that doesn't make sense _if_ it really truly is SEAMRET that does the VMCS
> >cache invalidation, because flushing the VMCS cache would ovewrite the in-memory
> >state.
> 
> My understanding is:
> 
> 1. SEAMCALL/SEAMRET use VMCSs.
> 
> 2. P-SEAMLDR is single-threaded (likely for simplicity). So, it uses a _single_
>    global VMCS and only one CPU can call P-SEAMLDR calls at a time.
> 
> 3. After SEAMRET from P-SEAMLDR, _if_ the global VMCS isn't flushed, other CPUs
>    cannot enter P-SEAMLDR because the global VMCS would be corrupted. (note the
>    global VMCS is cached by the original CPU).
> 
> 4. To make P-SEAMLDR callable on all CPUs, SEAMRET instruction flush VMCSs.
>    The flush cannot be performed by the host VMM since the global VMCS is not
>    visible to it. P-SEAMLDR cannot do it either because SEAMRET is its final
>    instruction and requires a valid VMCS.

No, this isn't the explanation.  I found the explanation in the pseudocode for
SEAMRET.  The "successful VM-Entry" path says this:

  current-VMCS = current-VMCS.VMCS-link-pointer
  IF inP_SEAMLDR == 1; THEN
    If current-VMCS != FFFFFFFF_FFFFFFFFH; THEN
      Ensure data for VMCS referenced by current-VMC is in memory
      Initialize implementation-specific data in all VMCS referenced by current-VMCS
      Set launch state of VMCS referenced by current-VMCS to “clear”
      current-VMCS = FFFFFFFF_FFFFFFFFH
    FI;
    inP_SEAMLDR = 0
  FI;

I.e. my guess about firmware (probably XuCode?) doing direct writes was correct,
I just guessed wrong on which VMCS.  Or rather, I didn't guess "all".

> The TDX Module has per-CPU VMCSs, so it doesn't has this problem.
> 
> I'll check if SEAM ISA architects can join to explain this in more detail.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-05 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-23 14:55 [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] x86/virt/tdx: Print SEAMCALL leaf numbers in decimal Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:01   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:28   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 16:26   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  5:44     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] x86/virt/tdx: Use %# prefix for hex values in SEAMCALL error messages Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:34   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:16     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 15:18   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] x86/virt/tdx: Move low level SEAMCALL helpers out of <asm/tdx.h> Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:02   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  1:37   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 12:42     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 16:31       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:02         ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:03           ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 16:37   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  8:04     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] coco/tdx-host: Introduce a "tdx_host" device Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:52   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28 16:53     ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28  3:24   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-29  7:26     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose TDX Module version Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:54   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:48   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 17:01   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:07     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29  7:38   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare to support P-SEAMLDR SEAMCALLs Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:05   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  5:58   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:03   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  9:46     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-29 16:08       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 14:55     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-29 16:59       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce a wrapper for " Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:12   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  6:38   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:04   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30  8:08     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:23       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:36   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:21     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:18       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 12:15         ` Chao Gao
2026-02-03 15:41           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 16:12             ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-03 23:54             ` Chao Gao
2026-02-05 16:29               ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-02-05 16:37                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Retrieve P-SEAMLDR information Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  6:50   ` Binbin Wu
2026-01-28 23:54   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30  4:01     ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 16:35       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-02  0:16         ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-30 13:55     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:06       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-28 23:57   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 13:30     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] coco/tdx-host: Expose P-SEAMLDR information via sysfs Chao Gao
2026-01-26  9:56   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:07   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  0:08   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-30 14:44     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-30 16:02       ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] coco/tdx-host: Implement FW_UPLOAD sysfs ABI for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:00   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-28  3:30   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:07   ` Xu Yilun
2026-02-06 17:15   ` Xing, Cedric
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Block TDX Module updates if any CPU is offline Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:16   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  0:31   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Verify availability of slots for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:17   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Allocate and populate a module update request Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:23   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27  3:21   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 11:28     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-28 22:33       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28  4:03   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:56     ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02  3:08   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Introduce skeleton for TDX Module updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:01   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Abort updates if errors occurred midway Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:31   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:08   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Shut down the current TDX module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:42   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  6:31   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] x86/virt/tdx: Reset software states after TDX module shutdown Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:43   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Log TDX Module update failures Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:45   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:11   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Install a new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:52   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Do TDX per-CPU initialization after updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:53   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:32   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] x86/virt/tdx: Establish contexts for the new TDX Module Chao Gao
2026-01-26 10:54   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] x86/virt/tdx: Update tdx_sysinfo and check features post-update Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:07   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:33   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] x86/virt/tdx: Enable TDX Module runtime updates Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:14   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-04 10:03     ` Tony Lindgren
2026-02-02  7:41   ` Xu Yilun
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] x86/virt/seamldr: Extend sigstruct to 16KB Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:15   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-27  3:58   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-28 23:01   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-30 14:25     ` Chao Gao
2026-02-02 11:57       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] x86/virt/tdx: Avoid updates during update-sensitive operations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:23   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-23 14:55 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] coco/tdx-host: Set and document TDX Module update expectations Chao Gao
2026-01-26 11:28   ` Tony Lindgren
2026-01-26 22:14   ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-27 12:17     ` Chao Gao
2026-01-27 17:23       ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-28 17:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] Runtime TDX Module update support Sagi Shahar
2026-01-29  1:51   ` Chao Gao

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