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From: Link Mauve <linkmauve@linkmauve.fr>
To: Danilo Krummrich <dakr@kernel.org>
Cc: "Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Link Mauve" <linkmauve@linkmauve.fr>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/4] rust: io: Add big-endian read and write functions
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2026 22:20:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYUJuF8bI7mwD4ON@luna> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DG79GRI3NOLS.3ASMS9RJ80IXM@kernel.org>

On Thu, Feb 05, 2026 at 08:05:08PM +0100, Danilo Krummrich wrote:
> On Thu Feb 5, 2026 at 6:28 PM CET, Daniel Almeida wrote:
> >> On 5 Feb 2026, at 12:16, Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net> wrote:
> >> I think we should have everything default to little endian, and have wrapper
> >> types that do big endian which require expicit construction, similar to
> >> RelaxedMmio in Alex's series.
> >
> > Ah yes, the RelaxedMmio pattern is definitely a good one. I agree that we
> > should head in this direction.
> 
> I strongly disagree.
> 
> This is a great pattern for relaxed ordering because:
> 
>   (1) We need both strict and relaxed ordering.
> 
>   (2) Relaxed ordering is rare, hence it doesn't hurt to write e.g.
> 
> 	io.relaxed().write()
> 
>   (3) If you by accident just write
> 
> 	io.write()
> 
>       i.e. forget to call relaxed() it s not a bug, nothing bad happens.
> 
> Whereas for endianness it is a bad pattern because:
> 
>   (1) Devices are either little-endian or big-endian. Hence, having to write
> 
> 	io.big_endian().write()
> 
>       is excessive, we always want big-endian for a big-endian device.
> 
>   (2) It is error prone, if you forget to call big_endian() first, it is a bug.
> 
>   (3) It is unergonomic in combination with relaxed ordering.
> 
> 	io.big_endian().relaxed().write()
> 
>       (Does the other way around work as well? :)
> 
> It makes much more sense to define once when we request the I/O memory whether
> the device is litte-endian or big-endian.
> 
> This could be done with different request functions, a const generic or a
> function argument, but it should be done at request time.

Could this ever be done in the device tree?  I understand this would
mean having to change all drivers and all device trees that do big
endian, but it seems to be the natural location for this information.  I
have no idea how to structure that though.

-- 
Link Mauve

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-05 21:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-04  4:04 [PATCH v2 0/4] Add Rust abstractions for nvmem-provider Link Mauve
2026-02-04  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] rust: io: Add big-endian read and write functions Link Mauve
2026-02-04 15:18   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-04 15:20     ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-05 14:28     ` Daniel Almeida
2026-02-05 14:56       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-05 15:16       ` Gary Guo
2026-02-05 17:28         ` Daniel Almeida
2026-02-05 19:05           ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-05 21:20             ` Link Mauve [this message]
2026-02-05 22:11               ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-05 22:31             ` Gary Guo
2026-02-05 22:43               ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-08 17:17                 ` Daniel Almeida
2026-02-08 17:52                   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-05 22:46               ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-04  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] rust: nvmem: Add an abstraction for nvmem providers Link Mauve
2026-02-04 15:22   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-05 12:48     ` Link Mauve
2026-02-05 12:57       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-02-04  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] nvmem: Replace the Wii and Wii U OTP driver with a Rust one Link Mauve
2026-03-04 18:46   ` Link Mauve
2026-02-04  4:05 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] powerpc: wii_defconfig: Enable Rust Link Mauve

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