From: Nicolas Schier <nsc@kernel.org>
To: "Thomas Weißschuh" <linux@weissschuh.net>
Cc: "Petr Pavlu" <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 15/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2026 18:12:37 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYYhBe9hZsIW8LXP@levanger> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28cf8d51-7530-41d5-a47b-cad5ecabd269@t-8ch.de>
On Tue, Feb 03, 2026 at 01:55:05PM +0100, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> On 2026-01-30 18:06:20+0100, Petr Pavlu wrote:
> > On 1/13/26 1:28 PM, Thomas Weißschuh wrote:
> > > Normally the .ko module files depend on a fully built vmlinux to be
> > > available for modpost validation and BTF generation. With
> > > CONFIG_MODULE_HASHES, vmlinux now depends on the modules
> > > to build a merkle tree. This introduces a dependency cycle which is
> > > impossible to satisfy. Work around this by building the modules during
> > > link-vmlinux.sh, after vmlinux is complete enough for modpost and BTF
> > > but before the final module hashes are
> >
> > I wonder if this dependency cycle could be resolved by utilizing the
> > split into vmlinux.unstripped and vmlinux that occurred last year.
> >
> > The idea is to create the following ordering: vmlinux.unstripped ->
> > modules -> vmlinux, and to patch in .module_hashes only when building
> > the final vmlinux.
> >
> > This would require the following:
> > * Split scripts/Makefile.vmlinux into two Makefiles, one that builds the
> > current vmlinux.unstripped and the second one that builds the final
> > vmlinux from it.
> > * Modify the top Makefile to recognize vmlinux.unstripped and update the
> > BTF generation rule 'modules: vmlinux' to
> > 'modules: vmlinux.unstripped'.
> > * Add the 'vmlinux: modules' ordering in the top Makefile for
> > CONFIG_MODULE_HASHES=y.
> > * Remove the patching of vmlinux.unstripped in scripts/link-vmlinux.sh
> > and instead move it into scripts/Makefile.vmlinux when running objcopy
> > to produce the final vmlinux.
> >
> > I think this approach has two main advantages:
> > * CONFIG_MODULE_HASHES can be made orthogonal to
> > CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF_MODULES.
> > * All dependencies are expressed at the Makefile level instead of having
> > scripts/link-vmlinux.sh invoke 'make -f Makefile modules'.
> >
> > Below is a rough prototype that applies on top of this series. It is a
> > bit verbose due to the splitting of part of scripts/Makefile.vmlinux
> > into scripts/Makefile.vmlinux_unstripped.
>
> That looks like a feasible alternative. Before adopting it, I'd like to
> hear the preference of the kbuild folks.
After the first run-through, the proposed alternative sounds good.
Unfortunately, I ran out of time for this week. I can give a more
founded reply in a few days.
Kind regards,
Nicolas
> > diff --git a/Makefile b/Makefile
> > index 841772a5a260..19a3beb82fa7 100644
> > --- a/Makefile
> > +++ b/Makefile
> > @@ -1259,7 +1259,7 @@ vmlinux_o: vmlinux.a $(KBUILD_VMLINUX_LIBS)
> > vmlinux.o modules.builtin.modinfo modules.builtin: vmlinux_o
> > @:
> >
> > -PHONY += vmlinux
> > +PHONY += vmlinux.unstripped vmlinux
> > # LDFLAGS_vmlinux in the top Makefile defines linker flags for the top vmlinux,
> > # not for decompressors. LDFLAGS_vmlinux in arch/*/boot/compressed/Makefile is
> > # unrelated; the decompressors just happen to have the same base name,
> > @@ -1270,9 +1270,11 @@ PHONY += vmlinux
> > # https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?61463
> > # For Make > 4.4, the following simple code will work:
> > # vmlinux: private export LDFLAGS_vmlinux := $(LDFLAGS_vmlinux)
> > -vmlinux: private _LDFLAGS_vmlinux := $(LDFLAGS_vmlinux)
> > -vmlinux: export LDFLAGS_vmlinux = $(_LDFLAGS_vmlinux)
> > -vmlinux: vmlinux.o $(KBUILD_LDS) modpost
> > +vmlinux.unstripped: private _LDFLAGS_vmlinux := $(LDFLAGS_vmlinux)
> > +vmlinux.unstripped: export LDFLAGS_vmlinux = $(_LDFLAGS_vmlinux)
> > +vmlinux.unstripped: vmlinux.o $(KBUILD_LDS) modpost
> > + $(Q)$(MAKE) -f $(srctree)/scripts/Makefile.vmlinux_unstripped
> > +vmlinux: vmlinux.unstripped
> > $(Q)$(MAKE) -f $(srctree)/scripts/Makefile.vmlinux
>
> Maybe we could keep them together in a single Makefile,
> and instead have different targets in it.
>
> (...)
>
> > @@ -98,70 +44,15 @@ remove-symbols := -w --strip-unneeded-symbol='__mod_device_table__*'
> > # To avoid warnings: "empty loadable segment detected at ..." from GNU objcopy,
> > # it is necessary to remove the PT_LOAD flag from the segment.
> > quiet_cmd_strip_relocs = OBJCOPY $@
> > - cmd_strip_relocs = $(OBJCOPY) $(patsubst %,--set-section-flags %=noload,$(remove-section-y)) $< $@; \
> > - $(OBJCOPY) $(addprefix --remove-section=,$(remove-section-y)) $(remove-symbols) $@
> > + cmd_script_relocs = $(OBJCOPY) $(patsubst %,--set-section-flags %=noload,$(remove-section-y)) $< $@; \
> > + $(OBJCOPY) $(addprefix --remove-section=,$(remove-section-y)) \
> > + $(remove-symbols) \
> > + $(patch-module-hashes) $@
>
> cmd_script_relocs -> cmd_strip_relocs
>
> (...)
--
Nicolas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-02-06 17:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-01-13 12:28 [PATCH v4 00/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 01/17] module: Only declare set_module_sig_enforced when CONFIG_MODULE_SIG=y Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 02/17] powerpc/ima: Drop unnecessary check for CONFIG_MODULE_SIG Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 20:43 ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-02-06 8:25 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:11 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 03/17] ima: efi: Drop unnecessary check for CONFIG_MODULE_SIG/CONFIG_KEXEC_SIG Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 20:49 ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-02-06 8:25 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:11 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 04/17] module: Make mod_verify_sig() static Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-30 20:53 ` Aaron Tomlin
2026-02-06 8:25 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:12 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 05/17] module: Switch load_info::len to size_t Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 8:18 ` David Howells
2026-02-06 8:34 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 8:30 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-06 8:38 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 8:55 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-06 9:09 ` Christophe Leroy (CS GROUP)
2026-02-06 9:18 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 06/17] kbuild: add stamp file for vmlinux BTF data Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 16:28 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 21:36 ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-11 12:58 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 07/17] kbuild: generate module BTF based on vmlinux.unstripped Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 16:37 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-20 9:29 ` Fwd: " Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-20 16:55 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-02-23 7:40 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 08/17] module: Deduplicate signature extraction Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-27 15:20 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:41 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 09/17] module: Make module loading policy usable without MODULE_SIG Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-10 22:01 ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-11 12:59 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 10/17] module: Move integrity checks into dedicated function Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-13 15:09 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-10 22:06 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 11/17] module: Move lockdown check into generic module loader Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-13 15:14 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 12/17] module: Move signature splitting up Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-29 14:41 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:42 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 13/17] module: Report signature type to users Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-29 14:44 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:44 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 14/17] lockdown: Make the relationship to MODULE_SIG a dependency Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-13 15:32 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-01-13 12:28 ` [PATCH v4 15/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 14:56 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-01-30 17:06 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:55 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-06 17:12 ` Nicolas Schier [this message]
2026-02-19 14:27 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-03 12:19 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-02-03 12:59 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-11 1:18 ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-21 21:38 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-23 7:53 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-23 18:41 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-02-23 21:43 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-24 16:14 ` Nicolas Schier
2026-03-11 1:12 ` Eric Biggers
2026-03-11 8:50 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-11 13:19 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-03-11 21:14 ` Eric Biggers
2026-01-13 12:29 ` [PATCH v4 16/17] kbuild: move handling of module stripping to Makefile.lib Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-13 12:29 ` [PATCH v4 17/17] kbuild: make CONFIG_MODULE_HASHES compatible with module stripping Thomas Weißschuh
2026-01-31 7:36 ` [PATCH v4 00/17] module: Introduce hash-based integrity checking Mihai-Drosi Câju
2026-02-01 16:22 ` Thomas Weißschuh
2026-02-01 17:09 ` David Howells
2026-02-01 20:12 ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-02 9:21 ` David Howells
2026-02-02 18:30 ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-02 18:38 ` David Howells
2026-02-02 18:47 ` Eric Biggers
2026-02-03 8:18 ` James Bottomley
2026-02-03 8:22 ` David Howells
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