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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Rick P Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: Yan Y Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 22/45] KVM: TDX: Get/put PAMT pages when (un)mapping private memory
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2026 15:18:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aYZ2qft-akOYwkOk@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b3ad6d9cce83681f548b35881ebad0c5bb4fed23.camel@intel.com>

On Fri, Feb 06, 2026, Rick P Edgecombe wrote:
> On Fri, 2026-02-06 at 08:03 -0800, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > If this external cache is for PAMT pages allocation for guest pages only,
> > > here
> > > the min count should be 1 instead of PT64_ROOT_MAX_LEVEL?
> > 
> > Oh!  Right.  Hmm, with that in mind, it seems like topup_external_cache()
> > isn't
> > quite the right interace.  It's not at all clear that, unlike the other
> > caches,
> > the DPAMT cache isn't tied to the page tables, it's tied to the physical
> > memory
> > being mapped into the guest.
> > 
> > At the very least, it seems like we should drop the @min parameter?
> > 
> > 	int (*topup_external_cache)(struct kvm *kvm, struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu);
> > 
> > Though if someone has a name that better captures what the cache is used for,
> > without bleeding too many details into common x86...
> 
> From the TDX perspective we have 4 types of pages that are needed to service
> faults:
> 1. "Control pages" (i.e. external page tables themselves)
> 2. Private guest memory pages
> 3. DPAMT backing pages for control pages
> 4. DPAMT backing pages for private pages
> 
> (3) is totally hidden now, but we need a hook to allocate (4). But from core
> MMU's perspective we hide the existence of DPAMT backing pages. So we don't want
> to leak that concept.

Heh, there is no way around that.  Common KVM needs to know that the cache is
tied to mapping a page into the guest, otherwise the parameters don't make any
sense whatsoever.  All we can do is minimize the bleeding.

> The page we need is kind of like something to "prepare" the private page before
> installing it. It actually isn't that related to the mirror/external concept. So
> if we separate it from "external" and make it about installing private guest
> memory, it fits better conceptually I think. But it could be a bit confusing for
> other types of VMs who have to trace to see if anything special is happening
> inside the op for their private memory. In that case it could be:
> 
> (*topup_private_mem_prepare_cache)(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)

topup + prepare is redundant and confusing.

> The core MMU doesn't know about DPAMT backing pages, but it does know about the
> set_external_spte op that consumes this cache. So how about the slightly
> misleading:
> 
> (*topup_set_external_spte_cache)(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)

I really, really, want to avoid "SPTE", because the cache isn't for the SPTE in
any way, it's for the memory that's _pointed_ at by the SPTE.  And the confusion
is exactly what prompted this thread: I forgot that it's not every SPTE in the
chain that needs DPAMT backing, it's only the page that's being mapped into the
guest.

How about?

  (*topup_private_mapping_cache)

Because it's not just "private memory" it's specifically the mapping.  E.g. for
the hugepage split case, the primary memory is already assigned and mapped into
the guest, but a topup is still needed because KVM is creating a new/different
mapping.

> It is easier for other VM types to ignore, and not that semantically wrong from
> what is happening on the TDX side.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-06 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-29  1:14 [RFC PATCH v5 00/45] TDX: Dynamic PAMT + S-EPT Hugepage Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/45] x86/tdx: Use pg_level in TDX APIs, not the TDX-Module's 0-based level Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Update iter->old_spte if cmpxchg64 on mirror SPTE "fails" Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:10   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-29 22:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:48       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03  8:48   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-03 10:30   ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-03 20:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 21:34       ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/45] KVM: TDX: Account all non-transient page allocations for per-TD structures Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 10:36   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/45] KVM: x86: Make "external SPTE" ops that can fail RET0 static calls Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 22:20   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-30  1:28     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30 17:32       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 10:44         ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-04  1:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/45] KVM: TDX: Drop kvm_x86_ops.link_external_spt(), use .set_external_spte() for all Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30 23:55   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 10:19   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-03 20:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  6:41       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 23:14         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:27           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-18 19:37       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-20 17:36         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Fold set_external_spte_present() into its sole caller Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  7:38   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 23:06     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:29       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Plumb the SPTE _pointer_ into the TDP MMU's handle_changed_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Propagate mirror SPTE removal to S-EPT in handle_changed_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  9:06   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05  2:23     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05  5:39       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 22:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:17           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 17:41             ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10 10:54               ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-10 19:52                 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  2:16                   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-14  0:36                     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/45] KVM: x86: Rework .free_external_spt() into .reclaim_external_sp() Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  9:45   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05  7:04     ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 22:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:30         ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/45] x86/tdx: Move all TDX error defines into <asm/shared/tdx_errno.h> Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 18:13   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 11/45] x86/tdx: Add helpers to check return status codes Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 18:58   ` Dave Hansen
2026-01-29 20:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30  0:36       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 20:32         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 12/45] x86/virt/tdx: Simplify tdmr_get_pamt_sz() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 13/45] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate page bitmap for Dynamic PAMT Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 14/45] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate reference counters for PAMT memory Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 15/45] x86/virt/tdx: Improve PAMT refcounts allocation for sparse memory Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 16/45] x86/virt/tdx: Add tdx_alloc/free_control_page() helpers Sean Christopherson
2026-01-30  1:30   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05  6:11   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-05 22:35     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06  2:32       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-10 17:44   ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10 22:15     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-10 22:19       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10 22:46         ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-10 22:50           ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10 23:02             ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-11  0:50     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 17/45] x86/virt/tdx: Optimize " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 18/45] KVM: TDX: Allocate PAMT memory for TD and vCPU control structures Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 19/45] KVM: Allow owner of kvm_mmu_memory_cache to provide a custom page allocator Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 10:56   ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-03 20:12     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 20:33       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-03 21:17         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 21:29       ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-04  2:16         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04  6:45           ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 20/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Allocate/free S-EPT pages using tdx_{alloc,free}_control_page() Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 11:16   ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-03 20:17     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-03 21:18       ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-06  9:48   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 15:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-09  9:25       ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 23:20         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10  8:30           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-10  0:07         ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10  1:40           ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-09 10:41       ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-09 22:44         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-10 10:54           ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-09 23:40       ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-10  0:03         ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 21/45] x86/tdx: Add APIs to support get/put of DPAMT entries from KVM, under spinlock Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 22/45] KVM: TDX: Get/put PAMT pages when (un)mapping private memory Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 10:20   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 16:03     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 19:27       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-06 23:18         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-02-06 23:19           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-09 10:33           ` Huang, Kai
2026-02-09 17:08             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-02-09 21:05               ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 23/45] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Dynamic PAMT Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 24/45] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for TDX's " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 25/45] *** DO NOT MERGE *** x86/virt/tdx: Don't assume guest memory is backed by struct page Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 26/45] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:14 ` [RFC PATCH v5 27/45] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_phymem_page_wbinvd_hkid() to invalidate " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 28/45] x86/virt/tdx: Extend "reset page" quirk to support " Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 29/45] x86/virt/tdx: Get/Put DPAMT page pair if and only if mapping size is 4KB Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 30/45] x86/virt/tdx: Add API to demote a 2MB mapping to 512 4KB mappings Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 31/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Prevent hugepage promotion for mirror roots in fault path Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 32/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Plumb the old_spte into kvm_x86_ops.set_external_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 33/45] KVM: TDX: Hoist tdx_sept_remove_private_spte() above set_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 34/45] KVM: TDX: Handle removal of leaf SPTEs in .set_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 35/45] KVM: TDX: Add helper to handle mapping leaf SPTE into S-EPT Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 36/45] KVM: TDX: Move S-EPT page demotion TODO to tdx_sept_set_private_spte() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 37/45] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 10:07   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 16:09     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  9:49       ` Yan Zhao
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 38/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Add Dynamic PAMT support in TDP MMU for vCPU-induced page split Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 39/45] KVM: TDX: Add core support for splitting/demoting 2MiB S-EPT to 4KiB Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 40/45] KVM: x86: Introduce hugepage_set_guest_inhibit() Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 41/45] KVM: TDX: Honor the guest's accept level contained in an EPT violation Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 15:32   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 42/45] KVM: guest_memfd: Add helpers to get start/end gfns give gmem+slot+pgoff Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 43/45] *** DO NOT MERGE *** KVM: guest_memfd: Add pre-zap arch hook for shared<=>private conversion Sean Christopherson
2026-02-13  7:23   ` Huang, Kai
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 44/45] KVM: x86/mmu: Add support for splitting S-EPT hugepages on conversion Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 15:39   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11  8:43     ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-13 15:09       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-06 10:14   ` Yan Zhao
2026-02-06 14:46     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29  1:15 ` [RFC PATCH v5 45/45] KVM: TDX: Turn on PG_LEVEL_2M Sean Christopherson
2026-01-29 17:13 ` [RFC PATCH v5 00/45] TDX: Dynamic PAMT + S-EPT Hugepage Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2026-01-29 17:17   ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-04 14:38   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-04 15:09     ` Dave Hansen
2026-02-05 15:53       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-05 16:01         ` Dave Hansen

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